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  July Broadcast Denies That JW Children Die Rather Than Have Medical Care

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  anthony morris 3rd delivered the broadcast this month and advised that lies are circulated that they let children die rather than have medical care .

  he says this is so inaccurate as to be a boldfaced lie ...... further he says it is "up to the parents to determine what would be the best treatment for their children" .

  now, does this mean that parents are really free to make a decision to accept blood for their minor child, if they so choose?

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  Without doubt we see a new breed of GB members these days. In the past they were very proud of their no blood policy.
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  GB Spirit directed writing - October 2015 Awake

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the awake oct 2015 is now up on jw org.. one article talks about young adults returning to their parents home and tries to give them some advice.. one of the highlighted comments are these magical words.

  <<remember, more important than what you do is becoming proficient at what you do.>>.

  i don't see how it's more important to become more proficient in that window washing job than working towards a more interesting and better paying job.

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  The Awake Oct 2015 is now up on JW org.

  One article talks about young adults returning to their parents home and tries to give them some advice.

  One of the highlighted comments are these magical words

  <<Remember, more important than what you do is becoming proficient at what you do.>>

  I don't see how it's more important to become more proficient in that window washing job than working towards a more interesting and better paying job. We have always told our children to work towards the job that they really want and taking up less desirable jobs in the meantime is a means to an end.

  How about the GB tell their helpers to swap jobs with the cleaning staff, after all, its not what they are doing that is more important but becoming proficient in it is.

  Another comment

  <<In fact, it has been observed that the more experience and skill workers acquire, the more they enjoy their work. (then they jump to this conclusion) You don’t have to do what you love in order to love what you do!>>

  Huh? If you love what you are doing then you are doing what you love.
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  JW Org Flags at R.C.

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  photo was posted on jw-archive.

  j.w.org flags flying at the 2015 r.c.

  in fribourg, switzerland..

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  Watchtower 56 10/1

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  That such devotion to the flag should be customary is not at all surprising in view of the fact that “early flags were almost purely of religious character,” according to The Encyclopædia Britannica. That authority and others show the development of flags. In the hope of assuring victory pagan soldiers at first carried their idols and carved images with them into battle. Then they made miniatures of their carved idols, which they placed on the end of staffs. Later they painted representations of their idols on cloth and fastened these to the staffs. Thus is seen the evolution from carved idols to modern flags.>>
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  Caleb's Logic - Do the math

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the scene is the kitchen table where we find calebs dad and mom in conversation.

  dad - a letter?

  mom so we are going to write a letter to everyone we know and ask them to give us some of their money, so that we have as much money coming in as is going out.

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  Dad - We have thought long and hard on this and we built the new garage so that you would have a nice place to park your own car in the future. Of course you won't get a car until you learn to drive and get your license but before we are prepared to help you with that you must get baptized.

  Mum - Yes Caleb, we only had you in mind. Would you like to start foregoing your ice-cream money now so that we can all work towards this wonderful goal?
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  WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

  at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

  they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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  John Cedars has made a blog

  http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/tony-morris-scapegoats-gay-people-in-bizarre-child-abuse-denial-rant

  There are a number of posts in response to it and one in particular about the cartoon by 'Barb Moor' which is very thoughtful and reposted here

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  Caleb, Sophia! It’s YOUR fault for getting abused; your conscience was too weak! Bad boy! Bad girl!

  The new video featuring the animated pair is really sneaky. Yes, kids should run away from predators. BUT, no focus is given on the predators themselves (such as known abusers within the organization). The way it is portrayed on the video, the burden is put on children to prevent abuse, according to their “trained” conscience. It doesn’t illustrate the reality that the parents could be the abusers themselves. It doesn’t show that there are times when it is physically impossible to get away from a predator (Elder Handy in the car group).

  And what if the abuser threatens to kill beloved Mommy or Daddy (or baby brother) if Sophia does tell on them? Well, Sophia then has to decide: save them or myself? Sophia loves them so she’ll likely keep quiet, because predators are PROS at manipulation and deceit. This will go on and Sophia will comply with the predator thinking she’s protecting her family. You can picture Sophia in group therapy 15 years later with an addiction to meth to cope with the years of abuse, made worse by listening to talks that will make her think she is guilty for the abuse. All those talks on fornication will make her wonder, was I committing fornication? Why DIDN’T Mommy protect me? Why did Brother Creep give a talk on telling the truth at all times then tell me to lie to my parents?

  She will have seen him at assemblies or meetings: maybe even giving a talk about porneia? Poor Sophia: her conscience wasn’t strong enough. She didn’t outwit a cunning adult with years of manipulative skills! And then, why didn’t Jehovah protect her? Was she not worthy of protection, given all the theocratic examples of children who were spared suffering ‘because they listened’? Apparently not, because it happened to her. Sophia will end up depressed, lonely, fearful, and likely lacking in any sort of faith. If she even remains in the organization (she’ll have so little self-worth she may stay in it out of fear), she’ll become one of the “weak” ones looked down upon by the strong because she’s not perky and happy and glowing with the good news. She’ll go downhill, while the way this organization works, the abuser will be promoted.

  Ironically, the watchers of this stupid video will likely be praising the organization for its helpfulness and loving concern, ignoring that Elder Handy and Brother Creep are right there in their hall, maybe sitting next to them at meeting. Other elders in the hall may know, but they won’t warn parents. Because the loving organization that has cared SO much for SO long has said not to divulge those little details. You’re on your own, Sophia and Caleb! Good luck with that!>>
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  BREAKING NEWS!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  breaking news from co!!

  according to a reliable source, the co in my area says that jws may have been hearing the phrase, "final push" being used.

  what sage advice did this shepherd, duke, and "star" of revelation have to say?

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  Did you happen to ask him what happens to those who lie about the works required to get saved?

  There's no point in asking him why they are bothering to build Warwick as Morris III said in one of his assembly talks that they are hoping God may preserve it through Armageddon.
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  WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

  at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

  they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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  How is a child chid who has already been abused going to feel after seeing this video? Probably very bad because they hadn't been able to respond to the situation as portrayed in the video.
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  July Broadcast Denies That JW Children Die Rather Than Have Medical Care

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  anthony morris 3rd delivered the broadcast this month and advised that lies are circulated that they let children die rather than have medical care .

  he says this is so inaccurate as to be a boldfaced lie ...... further he says it is "up to the parents to determine what would be the best treatment for their children" .

  now, does this mean that parents are really free to make a decision to accept blood for their minor child, if they so choose?

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  My impression is that Anthony morris wanted to address all those people attacking/persecuting him. He seemed very sober and unhappy.
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  A difficult yet necessary decision

  by Brother Jeramy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the past five weeks have been perhaps the most painful in my life as a witness.. some months ago a young man (i'd say in his late thirties or early forties) began attending meetings at my kingdom hall.

  he had just moved to my area from another state.

  he had disassociated himself from his home congregation many years back, when he was 20 years old and going through many of the typical trials and temptations most young men experience.. two of the elders met with him initially, and they later shared the details with the body of elders.

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  No doubt they will put the fault down to one or two elders, they're just imperfect men after all. The problem is that there shouldn't be any douchbag elders in the first place. They are so reluctant to remove bad elders.

  Brother jeremey, If you are going to write a letter you might want to include the instructions on reinstatement written in the secret shepherding the flock book.
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  July Broadcast Scriptural Error- FDS/Helper Fail.

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he has inadvertently moved the timing of the beginning of the last days to the future.

  this kind of scriptural error is the direct result of superficial bible reading.

  according to luke 21, first comes the persecution then the wars, earthquakes, food shortages, fearful sights etc.

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  Let's see if he has it corrected.