A real cool and a company man. He demonstrated that he couldn't even think for himself.
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Royal Commission convened for now, but Jackson is an asshole
by umbertoecho ini have just finished listening to this man jackson.
i remember him well.
he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.
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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.
by AndersonsInfo inthe royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
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There's a 25 page report available now with the opening submission from 'the senior council assisting'.
You can access by going to the Royal Commission link and it is under the Opening Address.
Most notable from this address is the following statement
70. This case study will consider whether the practice of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Church of not reporting allegations of child sexual abuse to secular authorities potentially exposes members of the Jehovah’s Witness Church to criminal liability for concealment of serious indictable offences under s 316 of the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW) and failure to disclose sexual offences against minors under s 327 of the Crimes Act 1958 (Vic). The case study will consider the interaction of these offences with the confessional privilege provided for in s 127 of the Evidence Act 1995 (Cth), and replicated in legislation in force in New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania and the Northern Territory.
In many ways this Commission is able to demand so much more from the organization than any Court Case that they may face. We've seen what happened just recently when the lawyers requested specific information and documents, they haven't been able to do this here and can't simply ignore the requests..
They've also been able to question the JWs in a way that would not be seen in court. From what I saw at no stage was there any JW lawyer able to step in and say that any line of questioning was unreasonable.
The Commission goes even further by asking the JWs what they personally feel about a situation, policy or matter and guilt them when it is clear that there procedures have been inadequate.
It is proving to be a moral blood bath for the organization.
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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.
by AndersonsInfo inthe royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
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Further reporting on current questioning of Max Horley regarding a case he dealt with in 1992.
The elder, Max Horley. says that the abused no longer needs to be interviewed with the abuser in certain cases and this occurred sometime in the 90s In similar vain he says that he did not think that this was inappropriate at the time of the case he heard, he didn't think about it and was just following directions but understands now why there was a need for change.
Two witnesses - the elder admits that it is a very sad situation for the abused who cannot present two witnesses to take the matter further on a congregational basis. He appreciates the need for it to be investigated fully even though there are not two witnesses where there is a victim and an abuser. The interviewer reads out the scripture in Duet. about the two witness rule and asks the elder if he also believes that the sinner should be stoned to death today.
Support for the victim - the elder says there were publications in place to help the victim. He is asked again about the accuser not having to face the abuser but he cannot provide any support for this procedure.
Later on the elder finally admits that if a JC was formed then it is still currently the situation that the abused will still be present at this meeting with the accuser.
The elder says that they discourage JWs not to have close friendships outside of the JWs and that the abused should not talk to people outside of the congregation although she could confide in someone within the congregation such as a mature sister or elder and this was to limit the gossip. The mature sister would have to accept this in confidence.
He confesses that he did not mean to come across as harsh or that there was no where to go, if that is what she felt..
The case that this elder with did not go any further because of the application of the two witness rule He stated that he had no reason to disbelieve the abused in his case but needed a confession from the abuser. The abuser had been asked to stand down and was announced as being removed as an elder. The elder states that those concerned would know why he was removed and all others would know there was some good reason.
The elder accepts that the police have better facilities to investigate matters but he states that there was very little information at the time instructing how to deal with the matter and going to the police was not mentioned. He says if she wanted to go to the police he would not have stopped her.
A letter had been written by the elders about the accused abuser and the only recommendation was that the elder should stand down. The elder says this action was taken because they were concerned about the proper functioning of the organization and probably not about the protection or support of the victim.
The abuser had later on been appointed as an elder in a different congregation and this elder said he had nothing to do with it or was not consulted and was surprised at the time.
Apparently the Branch asked this elder for his recollections on this case in 2015 and to put it in writing to them. He thinks it may have been because of the Royal Commission. The Legal Department BO had asked him to address this letter to the Service Desk BO.
He states that as a member of the congregation the abused was being protected but as a victim she was not as the aim was to protect the congregation against the abuser.
Sorry that's all I can do for the moment.
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The Australian Royal Commission hearings on the JWs handling of child abuse begins here in the US later today. It will be streamed.
by AndersonsInfo inthe royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
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An elder was just questioned about the handling of a child abuse case that he was involved in. Some very good questions were asked and at times the elder didn't know what to say.
He was asked if he had thought of reporting the incident/s to police. He said no. On further questioning he advised it wasn't procedure back then and it hadn't entered his mind. He did not know why it hadn't entered into his mind.
The elder said that the way they handle abuse cases is very different now to what it used to be.
He was asked if he had kept notes and he said yes. He was asked where were they and he said they had been destroyed and only brief notes were kept on file. He was asked why the notes were not kept and the elder said that they didn't want the information to find it's way into unwanted hands, for instance, the elders wives or the congregation.
He advised that they do now encourage the abused to take it to police. when asked how they do this he couldn't answer and said he didn't know.
This is excellent because regardless of what the society says this will help the elders to think morally regarding the issue and they probably will encourage parents to take new cases to police.
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BBC radio Prog " The Report" this week on JW Child Abuse
by Phizzy inhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0612hjs.
to be broadcast at 20.00 hrs british summer time this thursday, available on bbc i-player shortly after broadcast..
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This is impressive, so much is covered in such a short time.
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I just realized something that I didn't realize before
by Island Man injws teach that only the anointed should partake of the emblems at the memorial because they are in the new covenant but the rest of jws are not.. well, if we follow that logic, shouldn't they also teach that only the anointed should pray in jesus' name?
they teach that jesus is the mediator between jehovah and the anointed only and that the "other sheep" are going to be beneficiaries of the new covenant but are not party to it.
the exact same reasoning applies to the memorial - the anointed are in the covenant but the "other sheep" are not.
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They play around with the true meaning of words so much it becomes difficult to understand what they really mean, so much for trying to draw close to God.
In the Insight book they acknowledge that the term mediator is the same as intercessor
>>Mediator - One who interposes between two parties at variance to reconcile them; an intercessor; an intermediary agent, or go-between. In the Scriptures the term is applied to Moses and Jesus, the mediators respectively of the Law covenant and the new covenant.—Ga 3:19; 1Ti 2:5.>>
They don't use the term mediator when discussing prayers but use the word intercessor, here is an example from W 02 9/15
<<However, God has appointed an Intercessor for our prayers. “I am the way and the truth and the life,” said Jesus Christ. “No one comes to the Father except through me.” Jesus also stated: “Whatever it is that you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:6, 13, 14) We can be confident of Jehovah’s willingness to hear prayers offered in Jesus’ name. Concerning Jesus, the Bible says: “He is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead [“be interceding,” footnote] for them.”—Hebrews 7:25>>
They teach that Jesus is the mediator between God and the anointed in both the new covenant and the Kingdom covenant and Jesus, in his role as High Priest is the mediator for all JWs in prayer only .
Their play with words and ideas is also evident when it comes to calling God our father. For the other sheep, they can only use this term as an endearment (he is not their father) and not in it's true sense, whereas God is father to the anointed. The W 15 6/15 reconfirms this
<<4 The expression “our Father,” not “my Father,” reminds us that we belong to an “association of brothers” who truly love one another. (1 Pet. 2:17) What a precious privilege that is! Anointed Christians, who have been begotten as God’s sons with heavenly life in view, rightly address Jehovah as “Father” in the fullest sense. (Rom. 8:15-17) Christians whose hope is to live forever on earth can also address Jehovah as “Father.” He is their Life-Giver, and he lovingly provides for the needs of all true worshippers. Those with this earthly hope will in the fullest sense become God’s children after they have reached perfection and have proved their loyalty in the final test.—Rom. 8:21; Rev. 20:7, 8.>>
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I just realized something that I didn't realize before
by Island Man injws teach that only the anointed should partake of the emblems at the memorial because they are in the new covenant but the rest of jws are not.. well, if we follow that logic, shouldn't they also teach that only the anointed should pray in jesus' name?
they teach that jesus is the mediator between jehovah and the anointed only and that the "other sheep" are going to be beneficiaries of the new covenant but are not party to it.
the exact same reasoning applies to the memorial - the anointed are in the covenant but the "other sheep" are not.
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This is how they explain it in the insight book, they explain that praying through Jesus in prayer is because of his role as High Priest, not as our mediator.
<<There are, thus, others not of the 144,000 “sealed” ones who also pray to Jehovah God in the name of Christ, putting faith in the merit of his ransom sacrifice. This sacrifice is not only for those for whom Jesus mediates the new covenant but also for all mankind expressing faith in Christ. (1Jo 2:2) These not in the new covenant also appreciate that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” (Ac 4:12) They, too, look to Jesus Christ as their great heavenly High Priest, through whom they can approach God and through whose ministration they can get forgiveness of sin. (Heb 4:14-16) Revelation 21:22-24 points out that ‘the nations will walk in the light of New Jerusalem,’ where Jehovah God is the light and the Lamb Jesus Christ is the lamp.>>
Earlier on in this discussion they explain that Jesus has different roles, one as a mediator and one as a High Priest
<<Holding the offices of Mediator and High Priest, Jesus Christ, being immortal, is always alive and able to plead for those of spiritual Israel approaching God through him, so that he can mediate the new covenant until those persons receiving his mediatorial assistance are saved completely. (Heb 7:24, 25) He is able to conduct matters to the successful completion of the new covenant. Those in the covenant are eventually installed in the heavenly priesthood as underpriests with Christ, their great High Priest.—Re 5:9, 10; 20:6.>>
This is a doctrine that they rarely discuss. Most JWs have no idea that Jesus is not considered to be their mediator and it would appear that the GB would like to keep it that way unless they can somehow find new light to bring all JWs into this mediatorship. Given that the other sheep are now considered to be part of the household or domestics in the Faithful & Discreet Slave parable I can see this as a possibility. Also, when they introduced the new light about types and antitypes they explained that they generally would not be holding onto this idea that there are distinctions between who is being spoken of, the other sheep or the little flock.
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Need best info on why Jesus could never have chosen org in 1918?
by GodZoo inhi folks... i was playing a tiny online ipad multiplayer war game last night and one started a dialogue with a another player i was attacking.
in it he quoted a scripture.. and it turns out he he is a 25 year serving jw.
possibly an elder... well.. i spent 6 hours tapping away with one finger in the chat box until 8am this morning with him about all the issues on sex abuse, the money grab and most importantly the subject of jesus turning his attention to the earth and selecting the then bibles students as his one and only people based on what they were teaching (spiritual food) back then.. he knows nothing about any of the current and historic child sex abuse cases (never heard of candice conti etc) and even less about the insane early teachings or russell etc.. i completely blew his mind in our 6 hour text chat not to mention my index finger nearly falling off!.
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What book is that freemindfade? It is quite incredible.
I agree with searcher, after spending so much time with him already you should ask him some questions to make him think and start to do some of his own research.
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Wolves in sheep clothing
by Israel Ricky Gonzales ini was baptized then i was 15 years old and just entering high school.
i had been a perfect jw teenager through out my high school years, although i craved to be a little bit worldly.
when i graduated high school, i moved out and got a job working with my older non-jw brother.
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Thank you for sharing your story Israel and sorry to hear what you went through. It is important that these stories are written and shared with others. For those of us that have already left it confirms that our story is not unique and what we experienced was not because we were a bad person but because the organization is unloving. -
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Punkofnice asked why men don't wear similar attire. I wondered to so googled for an answer and this is what I got.
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For instance, I’m sure at one time or another, we have looked upon an attractive man, whether purposefully or accidentally. It must have been hard for us to look away. But try to envision the task of lowering the gaze as twice or even ten times harder – that is, my dear ladies, what a man has to go through.
Another question- why do women have to pray behind men? It can’t be that women are less dignified or unfavorable in Allah’s eyes. It is because of the nature of man – he will lose himself and become preoccupied with other than that of his prayer. Women, however, are not as susceptible to this temptation and can pray behind men.
Generally speaking, fornication often occurs when a woman inclines the man toward something he already has a susceptibility to. If the woman is strong however, the man may have the desire but does not have the opportunity to sin.
So you see, hijab doesn’t push down on the status of women. The hijab serves as a protective barrier for not only the woman but also for a man, who is inherently attracted to the visual. Just imagine, the next time you step out without a hijab – you may be unaware of so much going on around you. Would you be happy to know the sins you have accumulated, the silent struggles of a brother who found it so difficult to lower his gaze from you?
You may be unaware, but Allah the All Aware, is not. There’s a good reason behind everything, just as there is a good reason behind hijab.>>
http://idealmuslimah.com/calling-to-allah/209-the-face-veil-niqaab/1740-why-men-dont-wear-hijab.html