Posts by oldlightnewshite

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Did you feel you missed out as a JW kid/teenager?

by BlackTwisted in

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i am not gonna lie, i know i did somewhat, and here's my story of it.. .

i remember my mom and her girl-friend (yes, she was bi-sexual, her gf was a lesbian.

) and my mom's gf..um..let's call her jill (not her real name) was very..well, not very but was somewhat strict almost over everything, i remember i couldn't evfen watch that 70's show!

oldlightnewshite

I certainly didn't miss out. All the kids knew me as the Jehova boy who won't punch back if you hit him. Aaaaaah, we'd all laugh at how Jehova boy got tripped up and his books all ended up in a puddle and his trousers had big holes in the knees and blood etc. The kids would all talk about the funny stuff they saw on TV, which Jehova boy couldn't watch because it was worldly and had swear words in it. Jehova boy was so shielded that he didn't know the difference between Birthdays and Christmas. Jehova boy was bright though, he got to do all the other kids' homework or else he'd end up in a heap of blood and snot. Jehova boy grew up and learned to hide the bitterness, and he felt good, coz he knew that his tormentors would soon be bird-food. Except that what he believed was a crock drummed into his soft brain by his softer-headed mother.

It WAS character building, I have to say.

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Odd Deconstructive Moment in the Dec 2010 Awake

by Cadellin in

when i saw the article, "more major earthquakes expected" in page 20, my first thought was wtf?

haven't they learned their lesson about predicting increases in earthquakes?

then i read the article, which shies away from any explicit claim that seismic activity is on the increase.

oldlightnewshite

Lol @ Hamsterbait, that was funny, dude.

They could try 'More wars expected'. Guess what? They'd be right!

I don't know if it does me any good being on these sites... reaffirming what a complete arse-hole I used to be for falling for such bollocks. It doesn't do my self-worth any good, just like those old pics of me with flared trousers.

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1975 - Lest We Forget

by GetBusyLiving in

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i find the topic of the 1975 end of the world scenario facinating, especially since i never lived through it.

do you old schoolers ever feel concerned that people will one day forget about what really went down?

with whitewashed tripe like the 'proclaimers' book informing dubs that it was just the false expectations of over enthusiastic apostates, are you at all concerned that the legacy of bullshit that is 1975 will be a forgotten moment in history blamed on you instead where the blame really belongs?

oldlightnewshite

I was 6 in 1975, but remember my mum frantically trying to give up smoking so she could get baptized and 'save' all us kids (we'd be sanctified by means of her, and not destroyed). Then after in 1976 they started spouting stuff about it was apostates within the org that promoted the thought of 1975 being the end of the 6,000 years. My mum has utterly wasted her life living a lie, indoctinated her kids good so that they have too, except for one that woke up. Who knows how much time she wasted bashing the paint off of folks' doors? She could've spent time with her kids, learned to love her husband instead of living a lie and despising him for not conforming to the JW$. An utterly wasted life and a waste of organs. A good message to any lurkers out there:-

Your Governing body has artfully airbrushed your religion's history. What you need to ask yourself is, 'what will I be doing in 30 years time?' Picture it with your mind's eye. My mum thought she'd be playing frisby with a tiger and eating tropical fruit in an alpine glade with a bunch of peruvians playing pan pipes.

For god's sake reach for the smelling salts and WAKE UP!

... oh and, happy anniversary, apostates!

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Lies and Damn Lies

by AllTimeJeff in

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the greatest mistake and the greatest harm i ever did to myself as a jehovah's witness is lying to myself.

about everyone else secondly.. i believe in very few constants in life.

i think we all are on journey's and it takes a lot to get to where we are going.

oldlightnewshite

But until we stop pretending to be who we are not, until we stop justifying our weaknesses and bad points, until we come to a place where we can accept ourselves for who we are and being a work in progress, our development as people, post JW, will be slower then it needs to be.

This was a really thought-provoking paragraph. Think I've been still thinking of myself as a work in progress, even now.

Seriously, did you pinch some of it from confucius?

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Sam Harris' New Book: "The Moral Landscape"

by leavingwt in

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sam harris' new book has been released.

i really enjoyed his first book, 'the end of faith'.

harris: morality must relate, at some level, to the well-being of conscious creatures.

oldlightnewshite

"The problem with religious morality is that it often causes people to care about the wrong things, leading them to make choices that needlessly perpetuate human suffering"

"We are the guarantors of the wisdom we find in scripture, such as it is. And we are the ones who must ignore God when he tells us to kill people for working on the Sabbath."

Somebody should make a redacted version of the Bible, which would stop all the hate and bad moral decisions. It'll be good for the environment too, coz less effin trees would get cut down to make it!

This sounds like it's going to be a very good read, from my totally biased view.

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Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute

by oldlightnewshite in

i thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why jws don't have the truth' actually were.

maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site.

if eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the ex-jw mindset a little better.

oldlightnewshite

So far I'm hearing a liiiiiittle bit of negativity towards the Gibbering Baddy. Quite interesting. It's totally different to the first things that came off the top of my head, which was a lack of love. I'm talking with reference to the main over-riding feeling that pushed me over the edge TO START WITH when the niggling little doubts set in. All the other stuff on the list I had, came later a bit with a little more thought.

Is this still the same answer for you guys? I'm kind of referring to the very seed, germ, or spark of doubt which manifested itself in your mind in the very beginning while you were a practising J-W.

Of course, where I am RIGHT NOW is exactly the same as you lot. The whole nub of the argument can be boiled down to that one single problem, a bunch of senile old guys with no balls who can't admit they were wrong, and that they're not inspired by god.

Makes you realise that Ray Franz was really rather special.

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Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute

by oldlightnewshite in

i thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why jws don't have the truth' actually were.

maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site.

if eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the ex-jw mindset a little better.

oldlightnewshite

Reniaa, you make some salient points....I might be persuaded to agree with you IF I were wearing one of these....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZP1LYIXZs

Seriously, I think the thread is going like a shopping trolley with a busted wheel. All I wanted everyone to do was list their reasons, in order of importance, so as to see what was important to everybody in general...(Ex-JWs that is)

Thanks for the comments, even the crazy ones

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Top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth - please contribute

by oldlightnewshite in

i thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why jws don't have the truth' actually were.

maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site.

if eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the ex-jw mindset a little better.

oldlightnewshite

I thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why JWs don't have the truth' actually were. Maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site. If eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the Ex-JW mindset a little better. If you could list, in order of importance, the things that convinced you most strongly....from 1 to 10. (1 being the most important) Everybody must be able to compile their own list... it should be revealing...

Here's mine:

1, Lack of love in the congregations
2, failed predictions such as 1914, 1925, 1975 etc
3, Paedophilia in the organization
4, The UN NGO affiliation
5, The 'Generation' interpretational changes
6, The disgraceful and unscriptural way DF'd people are treated
7, Mistakes made by appointed men going undiscovered for years
8, Knowing deep down inside my prayers weren't being answered
9, The way JWs are discouraged to help charities for 'worldly' people
10, Meeting more disturbed people on the inside rather than the outside

Thanks!

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When did you stop supporting the WT with $$$ ??

by wobble in

i stopped whilst still an active witness, just cancelled my direct debit and told myself i would put money in the box to cover things like literatrash and heat and light sometimes, and sometimes i did , but that dropped off.. the thing is, i cannot really pin down what my motive was at the time, i still thought then that it was god's org.. but i just stopped giving them money.

why ?

i dunno.. when and why did you stop giving them money ?.

oldlightnewshite

For a few years I gave in the box, then I did a direct debit for a few, then I did a big donation at once when we had a pitiful building fund, (which I could really do with right now). I stopped giving about 2 years before leaving. Reason for stopping?... for one, I actually took notice of what was coming in during the accounts report, instead of counting the rabbits in my head. It turned out the bulk of our money came from a bequeathment after a sister died, so not many people were donating anything. 2, I wised up that most people were probably using our literature to light the stove/cigars, get up dogshyte in their garden or line their trash cans.

If I write a real nice letter to Brooklyn, d'ya think they'll reimburse me?

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how many in your cong had nervous breakdowns?

by highdose in

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of the congregation i spent my life in i would say a good 75% had nervous breakdowns at some point.

and often there was never really a obivous reason for it.

well not that we jw's could understand at the time.. even the queen bee's/ elderettes were not immune to this.. what about you?.

oldlightnewshite

It's best not to eat daffodils:

Sorry chaps. I knew somebody who ate a whole flowerbed once (just the heads) and was very poorly. Although we thought it was the bottle of bacardi and vodka he'd consumed.

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