Posts by GOrwell

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What did Raymond Franz believe after his exit?

by Botzwana in

did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?

i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.

does he touch on this in that book?.

GOrwell

Having both the nature of God (Jesus is a exact copy/representation/image of God) and the title/position of God (Jesus) is different than Satan simply having the title of God, but not the nature, or rightfully receiving/sharing the worship/glory/honour. That PDF on the Father/Son Relationship admits that Jesus has the nature of God and the title of God, but can't admit to worshipping two beings that share the nature of God. I mean, if you're a polytheist, that's fine. Just come out and admit it :)

I can't see Jesus being Michael. Heb 2:5 says that God didn't subject these things to an angel, but only to his Son.

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What did Raymond Franz believe after his exit?

by Botzwana in

did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?

i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.

does he touch on this in that book?.

GOrwell

I'm not a trinitarian, but this is a pretty good non-trininatrian (but long) treatise on the Father-Son relationship, found from the xjw.com site. However, the author doesn't go so far as to identify who he thinks Jesus is. He says that he has the nature of God etc, but differentiates him completely from the Almighty/Father. Of course, for Jesus to have the nature of God, even post resurrection, goes against the whole of the Hebrew scriptures, where only Almighty God is God, and no one is like him, in any sense. The OT YHWH is a jealous God who doesn't share honour, glory or worship. Yet, along comes the Son, and that dynamic changes completely.

http://www.christianrespondent.com/pubs/Father-Son.pdf

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What did Raymond Franz believe after his exit?

by Botzwana in

did he start believing in the trinity and hellfire?

i have not read in search of christian freedom yet as i do not have a copy of it.

does he touch on this in that book?.

GOrwell

Sort of off-topic, but for those x-jw's (Like Raymond Franz, and others in this thread) who believe in the deity/divinity of Jesus, but not the Trinity, how do you reconcile there still only being one God?

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I am tempted to ask 25 year old very pretty lady out but.....

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

she has 4 kids.

the father of her kids sees them every two weeks.

i am not sure if it is a good idea for me to ask her out.

GOrwell

4 kids at 25? sweet lord, that's a huge lack of BC right there...

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Today's ABC News - JWs to Sell

by Gayle in

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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8609235&rss=rss-wabc-article-8609235.

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GOrwell

"The Jehovah's are known for their meticulous upkeep."

Niiiice

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Jehovahs Witnesses Plan on Looting the Dead

by God_Delusion in

hi guys and gals,.

i've written a new article on what some jehovah's witnesses plan on doing after armageddon strikes.

i am sure you've been around witnesses that have said something like "oh i'm moving into that house after armageddon.".

GOrwell

lol thanks blondie, I forgot where that post-paradise fiction story was..

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Happy 12th birthday to JWD / JWN (us !)

by Simon in

omg, today is the forum's 12th birthday !.

omg x 2 - i said the word 'birthday' and no-one was beheaded !

lol.

GOrwell

Many thanks to Simon and ALL the mod's who put in so many hours to make this forum work!

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Safe sex works . . .

by sizemik in

if you're prudish and easily offended don"t watch this vid .

.. if i get banned .

it was nice, thanks.. but i can't see any rules being broken .

GOrwell

I admit, I chuckled.. the girl sort of looks like Eva Green http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1200692/

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Some really good deals on Crisis of Conscience book!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

now, before it goes beyond the price of gold, here is today's inflationary nonsense on amazon for buying a new version of crisis of conscience!.

omg i must get one!.

http://www.randallwatters.org/crisis_crisis.jpg.

GOrwell

As noted, these are for new versions; there are plenty of used options on Amazon and Abes Books for ~$30. I just picked up a 'good' condition copy on Abes Books for $38 shipped.

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Will Jehovah himself kill me, or will Jesus, Satan, or someone else?

by InterestedOne in

i've heard people here say jw's believe that jehovah will slaughter non-members of the jw religion when armageddon comes any day now.

does the watchtower teach that jehovah himself will do the killing, or is it delegated to someone else like jesus, satan, angels, or humans killing each other?

who is the actual killer in the picture?

GOrwell

It doesn't matter if you're of Babylon the Great or not; the only thing that matters is if your a faithful JW or not. If you're not, you will be killed at Armageddon, guaranteed (or at least, that's what the brother on the DA podium said a few years ago).