Posts by aqwsed12345

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

Your message is a sad display of precisely the kind of arrogant, crude, and confused rhetoric that exposes the spiritual poverty of your worldview. You dismiss not only Catholicism but every form of religion, then hypocritically wield the Bible like a weapon — as if you were its sole, self-appointed guardian — all while spewing vulgarities, mocking the dead, and congratulating yourself for insulting people who mourn. That’s not biblical authority. That’s blasphemous pride.

Let’s cut through the fog: you claim this is a space “not for Catholics,” as if truth must retreat before the whims of a comment section. You believe you’re clever for using Jehovah’s Witness materials against the Governing Body — and you expect applause for that? All you’ve done is exchange one form of self-righteousness for another. The bitterness, the vulgarity, and the cold-hearted glee you display isn’t freedom from religion — it’s just a different kind of bondage. You didn’t walk away from authoritarian religion into truth; you just picked up a different sledgehammer to keep swinging at people who don’t conform to your bitter creed. In fact, your theology is 98% the same as the JWs, your break from the GB is roughly like Rolf Furuli's. But professing JW theology without GB is not a real step.

So what is your creed, exactly? You say you “believe the Bible.” So do Catholics — we canonized it, preserved it, copied it, translated it, and proclaimed it for two millennia before your ideology ever existed. But unlike you, we don’t treat the Bible as a bludgeon for mocking the dead or a pretext for laughing at grief. The Bible isn’t a sword you wield to prove how smart you are. It is the Word of God — living, reverent, and holy. And you quote it like a man spitting on an altar, then wonder why people recoil. If you were truly critical of the GB, you would have already switched to some scholarly translation instead of the NWT a long time ago, for example I recommended NRSVue to you a long time ago (not even is it not Catholic one), instead you use the NWT's falsifications to support your JW theological bias. The only useful thing would be to use KIT against the NWT.

You think quoting 1 John 4:1 or Acts 17:11 somehow validates your crude mockery? Newsflash: the Bereans searched the Scriptures to seek Christ, not to ridicule those who grieve the death of a man who devoted his life to Him. Your attempt to twist the Word of God into a justification for your contempt is exactly the kind of “false inspired statement” the Apostle warns about.

You say, “If one believes the Bible, then that one's beliefs should be from the Bible.” And yet your beliefs — sneering mockery, public gloating over a man’s death, vulgar language, and theological incoherence — come not from the Bible but from your own wounded pride and unresolved rage. Where in Scripture does it tell you to laugh at death, to curse those who mourn, to spit on the dignity of another human being? Christ wept at the tomb of Lazarus — does that make Him “foolish” in your eyes too?

Your comparison about your father only shows your shallow understanding of Christian mourning. Mourning is not a denial of life after death — it’s the human expression of love in the face of loss. It’s the soul crying out between the already and the not yet, between faith in the resurrection and the pain of separation. If your father were truly standing behind you, risen in glory, no one would mourn — but that’s not how the world works, and it’s not how death works. We mourn because we love, and because death — though defeated — still wounds. The victory is certain, but we still bleed in its wake. That’s what it means to be human. You mock that grief as if it were a weakness. But in truth, it's your heart that has grown callous.

You denounce Pope Francis as a “ridiculous man in a white dress.” It’s hard to take seriously the theological musings of someone whose critique amounts to the spiritual equivalent of a playground insult. You may hate the papacy — many before you have tried — but even your hatred must bow to history: the pope occupies an office founded by Christ Himself in Matthew 16:18. Your mockery doesn’t refute that reality; it merely exposes your inability to grapple with it.

The institution of the papacy is the most tangible evidence in existence today that Christ was a true teacher, or indeed that He ever existed. The fact that the papacy has survived for two thousand years is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Matthew 16:18, for if the papacy ceased to exist, Christ would have been but one of so many charlatans, false prophets, and deceivers in history.

You claim to reject all religion — but what you really reject is any authority outside your own opinion. That’s not enlightenment. That’s narcissism wrapped in pseudo-biblical posturing. Your contempt for Catholic belief is not based in truth; it’s rooted in resentment. You don’t just challenge dogma — you revel in cruelty. And that has nothing to do with Christ.

You laugh and say “LOL” at the beginning of your response. That’s your legacy: laughter at sorrow, mockery of faith, vulgarity in place of reverence. And in the end, that laugh is hollow. Because it is not built on truth, or love, or hope — but on the fragile scaffolding of your own rage.

You don’t need a better argument.

You need a new heart.

Because no matter how many verses you can quote or how many people you think you’ve “owned” online, none of it will save you from the emptiness that comes from rejecting not just religion, but charity, decency, and grace.

You claim you’re “free.” But your hatred has made you a slave.

And Christ came to set slaves free — even you.

You’ve read the Bible. Now try listening to it.

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

aqwsed12345

@Duran

Your condescending mockery masquerading as “biblical insight” is neither clever nor righteous — it’s a car crash of arrogance, theological confusion, and shallow provocation wrapped in a cloak of self-importance. So let’s pull back the curtain on your smug performance and expose the intellectual and spiritual fraud behind it. You say you’re mocking not the Pope, but those who mourn him. That’s a distinction without a difference. You imagine your shirt would cleverly expose “inconsistencies” in belief — but in reality, all it exposes is your own inability to understand grief, doctrine, or human decency. Yes, Christians believe in eternal life. But mourning isn’t a denial of that hope — it’s a deeply human, Christ-like response to the separation caused by death. Jesus Himself wept at Lazarus’ tomb (John 11:35), despite knowing He was about to raise him from the dead. By your logic, Jesus must’ve been a fool. Or do you dare to accuse Christ of inconsistency too? Your “argument” is built on the false assumption that faith in heaven = no sorrow. That’s not biblical, it’s emotionally stunted. The Bible doesn’t condemn mourning — it redeems it. We “do not grieve like those without hope,” not “do not grieve at all” (1 Thess 4:13). You conflate hope with emotional numbness, but they’re not the same thing. Rejoicing in eternal life doesn’t mean celebrating death. And it certainly doesn’t mean mocking the dead with crude T-shirt slogans designed to trigger outrage.

You claim to believe “all religions are false,” and yet you stand on a moral high horse as if you had divine insight. Let’s get this straight: you denounce all religion — including Jehovah’s Witnesses — and yet you argue like one, cite their proof-texts like one, and mimic their disdain for historic Christianity like a copy-paste apologist with a broken theology generator. You say you’re “not a JW,” but you parrot their rhetoric word for word. Denying membership while promoting their theology is like selling Watchtower pamphlets and then claiming you’re just “spiritually independent.” You criticize the Catholic Church for mourning the Pope — but again, you don't believe in heaven, hell, or the communion of saints. You reject all ecclesial tradition. So what standard are you even appealing to? Whose theology are you defending, other than your own ego?

Your citation of John 14:28 is a textbook case of Arian misinterpretation. You quote this like it’s some devastating mic-drop, but let me educate you. This verse reflects the economic (not ontological) subordination of Christ in His earthly mission — not a denial of His deity. The early Church Fathers — yes, those you reject without ever having read — already refuted your misuse of this verse in the 4th century. Christ is eternally equal to the Father in nature (John 1:1, Philippians 2:6), but in His incarnate role, He submits to the Father’s will — a fact acknowledged by every orthodox theologian from Augustine to Aquinas. So spare us the Arian relics. They were buried centuries ago at Nicea.

You pretend you never asked us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible.” But your whole line of thought is that comparison. You quote exclusively from the NWT, and all your comments are filled with links to the their website. Even if you didn't type the words verbatim, your entire argument assumes a contrast between “what the Bible says” and “what Catholics believe.” You imply Catholics don’t follow the Bible — and present your mutilated interpretation of Scripture as the corrective. That’s exactly the tactic of the Watchtower: selective quotation, superficial theology, and condescending judgment.

Your theology of death is a confused mess of contradiction and coldness. Let’s walk through your logic:

You claim it's “illogical” to mourn a man who went to heaven.
Yet you don’t believe he went to heaven.
And you think all religions (including Catholicism and JWs) are false.
But you still quote the Bible as your supposed authority.

So let me ask: what worldview are you even arguing from?

You believe everyone’s wrong, but somehow you — an anti-religion iconoclast with a glib T-shirt joke — have the insight to mock others for grieving the loss of a faithful servant of God? What makes you the judge of how Christians should express hope?

You say the Pope was part of a false religion. Fine — that’s your belief. But gloating over death is not conviction. It’s cruelty. And it reflects a heart not filled with truth, but with spite.

Let’s talk about the fruit of your spirit. Jesus said: “By their fruits you will know them.” (Matthew 7:16)

What’s the fruit of your comment?

Mockery of the dead.
Contempt for grief.
Disdain for fellow humans.
Twisting of Scripture.
Evasion of theological accountability.

None of this reflects Christ. None of it reflects biblical truth. It reflects a hollow ideology of sneering cynicism disguised as righteousness. You speak not from the Spirit of truth, but from the arrogance of self.

You asked: Should Catholics rejoice or mourn? Answer: Both.

Rejoice in the hope of eternal life.
Mourn in the pain of separation and loss.
Honor a man who served God and the poor with humility.
Reject your callousness dressed up as wit.

And most importantly, we will soon have the joy of celebration because they will proclaim, "habemus papam," and we will have our 267th pope, because there will always be popes, from the first coming of Christ to the second, as He infallibly promised us. Can you name a single institution in the world that could rival the papacy in terms of antiquity and continuity?

"There is not, and there never was on this earth, a work of human policy so well deserving of examination as the Roman Catholic Church. The history of that Church joins together the two great ages of human civilisation. No other institution is left standing which carries the mind back to the times when the smoke of sacrifice rose from the Pantheon, and when camelopards and tigers bounded in the Flavian amphitheatre. The proudest royal houses are but of yesterday, when compared with the line of the Supreme Pontiffs. That line we trace back in an unbroken series, from the Pope who crowned Napoleon in the nineteenth century to the Pope who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far beyond the time of Pepin the august dynasty extends, till it is lost in the twilight of fable. The republic of Venice came next in antiquity. But the republic of Venice was modern when compared with the Papacy; and the republic of Venice is gone, and the Papacy remains. The Papacy remains, not in decay, not a mere antique, but full of life and youthful vigour. The Catholic Church is still sending forth to the farthest ends of the world missionaries as zealous as those who landed in Kent with Augustin, and still confronting hostile kings with the same spirit with which she confronted Attila. The number of her children is greater than in any former age. Her acquisitions in the New World have more than compensated for what she has lost in the Old. Her spiritual ascendency extends over the vast countries which lie between the plains of the Missouri and Cape Horn, countries which a century hence, may not improbably contain a population as large as that which now inhabits Europe. The members of her communion are certainly not fewer than a hundred and fifty millions; and it will be difficult to show that all other Christian sects united amount to a hundred and twenty millions. Nor do we see any sign which indicates that the term of her long dominion is approaching. She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul's."
- Thomas Babington Macaulay

In conclusion: You are not the prophet of truth. You are the punchline of your own failed theology. You claim superiority over “all religion,” but can’t even construct a consistent moral or doctrinal position.

Your shirt idea isn’t clever — it’s cruel.

Your theology isn’t deep — it’s delusional.

Your tone isn’t biblical — it’s belligerent.

You don’t follow the Christ who weeps, heals, and saves.

You follow the voice that says: “I am holier than thou” while trampling on the sorrow of others. That voice is not from heaven — and deep down, you know it.

Repent of your pride, your mockery, and your false gospel of scorn.

Because Christ is risen — and He’s nothing like you.

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the pope has died

by stan livedeath in

most people on the planet have heard of the pope.. most people on the planet have never heard of the governing body..

aqwsed12345

@Duran

Your statement is not only appallingly disrespectful and juvenile, it exposes the deep moral and theological bankruptcy of the ideology you subscribe to. You mock death, trivialize the dignity of the human person, and parade a grotesque form of self-righteousness masked as spiritual insight. And to call Pope Francis “a ridiculous man” — a man who has devoted his life to service, humility, and the Gospel — reveals far more about your heart than his.

Let’s be clear: your comment is not a challenge to Catholicism. It is a stain on basic decency and Christian charity. No genuine follower of Christ speaks with such contempt for a fellow human being, especially not for a spiritual leader whose very office — the papacy — was instituted by Christ Himself when He said: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church” (Matthew 16:18). You may not like the Pope, but mocking his death as a punchline shows that you are not led by the Spirit of Christ, who taught us to bless even our enemies — let alone mock the dead.

Your “shirt idea” is a theological contradiction. If, in your warped logic, you're happy the Pope is dead because you believe he’s in heaven — then why the mockery? Why the sneering provocation? Why the grotesque glee? If you really believed Pope Francis is now in the presence of Jehovah (whom you insist we must name constantly, though Jesus never did so once in prayer), then you ought to approach the matter with reverence and gratitude — not a smug smirk and a snide T-shirt slogan.

But here’s the deeper irony: you don’t actually believe he’s in heaven. Your cult teaches that Pope Francis is part of “Babylon the Great,” the so-called “world empire of false religion.” In your worldview, he’s not saved at all — so your “back of the shirt” question isn’t sincere. It’s a baited trap. And yet it fails miserably, because it assumes the audience is as callous and combative as you.

If someone made a shirt that said “I’m happy Charles Taze Russell is dead”, would you think that’s godly? Would you defend it as righteous? Or would you recognize it as a cruel, disgusting gesture?

Your message has nothing to do with truth or Scripture. It’s just venom dressed up as piety.

If this is the kind of “good news” you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are called to spread — the celebration of death, and the mockery of human suffering — then I can confidently say your gospel is not that of Jesus Christ.

Because the real Jesus weeps over the death of His friend (John 11:35), dines with sinners, loves His enemies, and rebukes those who would call down fire from heaven in self-righteous rage (Luke 9:55).

Your version of “truth” is little more than sanctified cruelty.

You ask us to “compare what Jehovah’s Witnesses show in the Bible” — but what you just showed me is not Scripture. It’s not even doctrine. It’s hatred with a false halo.

Take off the mask.

Until you learn to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), and abandon the gleeful spite of this toxic rhetoric, don’t talk to me about being a follower of Christ.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

aqwsed12345

@Rattigan350

The promise Nathan delivered to David in 2 Samuel 7 was never an elastic concession that God could stretch, pause, or retract for twenty‑five centuries. In the biblical text the Lord swears to “raise up your offspring after you … and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” That oath is fulfilled in Jesus the moment He is conceived by the Holy Spirit and anointed at His baptism, not at some later celestial coronation in 1914. He is already Son of David and “King of kings” while walking the roads of Galilee (Mt 12:23; Jn 1:49); He mounts the Cross wearing a placard that openly proclaims His royalty (Jn 19:19‑22). There is therefore no biblical warrant for inserting a “Gentile Times” hiatus after Jehoiakim, for Scripture itself says God “removed kings and set up kings” all through that period (Dan 2:21) and that even in exile the Davidic hope looked forward, not to a sabbatical, but to the advent of the Messiah (Ez 34; Jer 23; Hag 2). The alleged 2,520‑year suspension is a 19‑century‑late arithmetic innovation, not apostolic teaching.

Because Christ’s kingship began with His exaltation, the veil of the Temple split at His death, signifying not a delayed enthronement but present access to the Father (Heb 10:19‑21). The New Testament says repeatedly that the Covenant people already share in a kingdom (Col 1:13; Rev 1:5‑6). No text hints that the heavenly city must wait for 1,900 years while Satan roams untouched. Revelation 12—which Jehovah’s Witnesses place in 1914—actually frames the dragon’s expulsion as the immediate fruit of Christ’s Ascension (“the child was caught up to God and to his throne,” vv. 5‑10).

The JW assertion that “no one who died before Christ can be in heaven” founders on Jesus’ own words. He pictures Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the prophets “reclining at table in the kingdom of heaven” (Mt 8:11; Lk 13:28) and promises the repentant robber, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Lk 23:43). Classical theology has always distinguished the limbus patrum—“Abraham’s bosom,” the happy Sheol where the righteous awaited redemption—from Gehenna. Christ’s descent “to the dead” proclaims victory, liberates those souls, and opens heaven, exactly as 1 Peter 3:19‑22 and 4:6 imply. Thus Moses and Elijah can stand in glory with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration long before 1914 (Lk 9:30‑31).

The first generation of Christians therefore did not lie unconscious until an invisible enthronement. Paul confidently teaches that “to depart and be with Christ is far better” (Phil 1:23) and that absence from the body means being “at home with the Lord” (2 Cor 5:8). The JW reply—that the “we” of 2 Corinthians refers only to first‑century "anointed"—is arbitrary. The New Testament does not present an idea of different salvation "classes". Paul simply writes those letters “for all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord” (1 Cor 1:2). If the Spirit who raised Jesus dwells in us, He “will give life to your mortal bodies also” (Rom 8:11). No expiry date is attached, not limiting the promise to a limited elite group.

Nor does Scripture restrict the number of glorified saints. Revelation’s 144,000 is a symbolic square of twelve, multiplied by a thousand, depicting the whole Israel of God sealed on earth, while John immediately sees “a great multitude which no one could count” worshipping in heaven (Rev 7). Early Jewish apocalyptic loves such literary juxtapositions; it was never meant as a census. To insist that the tally closed in 1935—and that Paul was ignorant of the ceiling—requires reading an 1870s corporate narrative back into the apostolic age.

In the New Testament, the existence of "heavenly and earthly classes" would have necessitated clear references as to which verse, passage, or letter refers to and is addressed to whom. There are no such references, so either we must discard the New Testament due to the astonishing and misleading negligence of the sacred writers, or the doctrine of separation. Otherwise, considering the alleged privileges of the 144,000, the masses of Witnesses take the Bible into their hands completely unnecessarily, as only a fraction of it pertains to them.

The JW dismissal of the Lord’s Supper for the vast majority of believers breaks with the earliest and most universal Christian practice. Christ did not limit His command, “Do this in memory of me,” to eleven men; Luke records that the Church “devoted itself to the breaking of bread” (Acts 2:42) and that Christians met on the first day of the week “to break bread” (Acts 20:7). Participation in the Eucharist is precisely how believers “proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes” (1 Cor 11:26)—not by abstaining from the elements. The claim that four written Gospels render the sacrament obsolete is a modern rationalization unknown to the Church or the Fathers.

Finally, heaven is not merely an “office.” It is the unveiled fellowship of the Trinity, the consummation for which the cosmos was created. Those who share Christ’s priest‑kingship do serve, but their service is perfect beatitude (Rev 22:3‑4). Traditional eschatology foresees a renewed creation in which risen humanity reigns with the Lamb, yet remains forever one family: no eternal caste system, no bifurcated hopes.

In short, the JW construction—pausing God’s covenant, limiting Christ’s kingship, postponing resurrection, capping heaven’s citizens, and withholding the Eucharist—rests on speculative calculations and selective readings. Historic Christianity, in continuity with Scripture and the apostolic Church, proclaims one seamless kingdom inaugurated in Christ, one communion of saints already sharing His life, and one Eucharistic memorial for all who believe until He comes again.

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WT June 2025: We Are Not Blind We Just Don't Know

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/7xumqjq3zfc?si=ivcg96t4dtgze4ft.

so this is from the brand new watchtower study edition of june 2025 which has just been posted on jw.org .under the title: modestly accept what you do not know, a let’s read paragraphs in question 4 &5: “read matthew 24:36. we do not know when the end of this system of things will come.

even jesus, while on earth, did not know the ‘day and hour.’ he later told the apostles that jehovah, who is the great timekeeper, keeps the timing of certain events ‘in his own jurisdiction,’ or authority.

aqwsed12345

In a recent article, the Watchtower leadership has taken a surprising turn—not by offering new insight, but by confessing, almost meekly, that they simply don’t know. After over a century of setting and resetting prophetic clocks, they now encourage their followers to “modestly accept what [they] do not know.” It’s a rhetorical shift that deserves far more scrutiny than reverence, especially from those who have built their lives around promises that the organization once claimed were unshakably certain.

For decades, the organization insisted that it held privileged access to divine timetables. 1914, 1925, 1975—these were not vague impressions or speculative musings but hard dates confidently proclaimed as spiritually significant. They were offered not as possibilities but as assurances—declarations so certain that followers were urged to make life-altering decisions: forgo education, delay careers, avoid children, invest in door-to-door ministry because the end was “just around the corner.” Now, with this latest publication, that tone of prophetic certainty has been rebranded as humble ignorance. And instead of repentance for the generations misled, we are served a sanctimonious appeal to “modesty.”

But there is nothing modest about what this organization has historically claimed. To announce oneself as the exclusive “channel of communication” for the Almighty, to call for total loyalty and unquestioning obedience, and then retreat into theological obscurity when predictions fail—this is not modesty. It’s spiritual gaslighting. You were wrong, but the blame is placed on the sheep for being discouraged, for growing weary, for asking questions. They call it “waiting on Jehovah,” but what they truly demand is submission without clarity, loyalty without understanding.

And let’s not forget the theological sleight of hand. They point to Matthew 24:36 to remind us that “no one knows the day or the hour.” Yet the same group who now clings to that verse as an excuse for ignorance once used it as a platform for declaring with confidence that “the generation of 1914 will not pass away.” If they are invoking that passage just now, they must also be held accountable for why they ignored it then. This isn’t just doctrinal inconsistency; it is a profound failure in spiritual stewardship.

They now appeal to the uncertainty itself as a virtue. They claim that not knowing builds faith. But Christ gave his followers clear signs and seasons—not so they would wander blindly, but so they could prepare with hope and discernment. Faith is not contrary to understanding. Real faith seeks truth, not evasions. There is a chasm between trusting in God’s providence and following an institution that absolves itself from accountability while still demanding absolute trust.

Even more disconcerting is how this narrative manipulates emotion. The article acknowledges the fatigue of believers, the ridicule they endure, and the sorrow of waiting endlessly. But instead of recognizing that these burdens stem from the organization’s own false expectations, it implies that the fault lies in the believer’s patience, or lack thereof. You’re not tired because you were misled—you’re tired because you don’t trust enough. This is not spiritual care; it is psychological manipulation.

Nowhere is this clearer than in the continued insistence on 1914 as a prophetic cornerstone. They “do not know” the end, but they “do know” that the “last days began in 1914.” This teaching hinges on a creative reimagining of history, where the timing of Satan’s expulsion from heaven somehow coincides precisely with the outbreak of World War I—despite the war beginning months before their alleged heavenly battle even concluded. The only way to maintain this illusion is to double down on a fragile system of chronology and hope that no one examines it too closely.

But more and more are examining it—and more are leaving. Not out of rebellion, but because they can no longer abide by a theology that cloaks uncertainty in the language of divine insight. They are tired of waiting in a spiritual waiting room with magazines in hand, hoping the receptionist will one day call their name. The “Great Timekeeper” narrative has worn thin. It once promised revelation. Now it delivers delay.

What then remains? The Gospel of Christ. The actual one—not the speculative timelines or apocalyptic graphs, but the enduring call to trust, follow, and hope in the Person of Jesus. The Christian walk is not built on countdowns but on communion; not on watchtowers but on witness. Christ did not ask for loyalty to an institution that revises its teachings every decade. He asked for faithfulness to Himself—who does not change.

So let them admit they do not know. Let them confess that they’ve lost the plot they claimed to have written. But let us also remember that in the Church, in the Body that Christ established and continues to guide, there is continuity, there is clarity, and above all—there is Truth. Not always spelled out in dates and hours, but rooted in the unchanging faith handed down from the apostles and preserved across the ages. That truth was never in flux. That hope never needed a reset. And that faith does not need to apologize for being sure.

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Sisters can now wear pants. Any more important changes

by Witness 007 in

alot of my witness friends were excited sisters can now wear pants and you can say hi to disfellowshiped folks but what about important stuff child molesters in the congregation you need 2 witnesses blood fractions are fine but not whole blood????

607 bce is from the 1880s wrong....anything else?

aqwsed12345

A religious group once obsessed with enforcing trivial dress codes now parades its “new light” by declaring that women may wear pants and men may grow beards. The tone among its members swings between relief and celebration—as if emancipation had been granted by divine decree. Yet, beneath these superficial shifts lies the same oppressive foundation: rigid authoritarianism masquerading as biblical fidelity.

This group, known for its dogmatic hierarchy and unquestioning obedience, continues to demand absolute loyalty while disguising minor policy revisions as spiritual progress. Allowing women to wear pants is not a move toward equality, but rather a token concession from men who still refuse to allow female voices in any position of doctrinal authority. Beards, long associated with Jesus and the prophets, were inexplicably stigmatized for decades—until one governing leader apparently decided it suited his personal style. Suddenly, what was once discouraged as worldly became "acceptable," revealing that the so-called spiritual guidance is often dictated not by timeless divine truth, but by the whims of aging bureaucrats.

Meanwhile, the truly urgent issues remain unaddressed. Sexual abuse victims are still told they need “two witnesses” before their testimony is taken seriously. A grotesque misapplication of Mosaic law persists, turning a mechanism for establishing civil guilt in ancient tribal society into a shield for predators in the modern congregation. Rather than seek justice, the organization protects its image, treating abuse not as a crime but as an internal spiritual failing best handled behind closed Kingdom Hall doors.

Their chronology remains equally dishonest. Despite overwhelming historical, archaeological, and astronomical evidence dating Jerusalem’s destruction to 587 BCE, they stubbornly cling to the disproven 607 BCE date—an invention of 19th-century Adventist speculation, not divine revelation. Why? Because the entire scaffolding of their prophetic interpretation collapses without it. Truth is sacrificed at the altar of institutional pride.

Doctrinal contradictions abound. Blood transfusions are condemned, yet fractions of blood are permitted—a legalistic compromise designed to placate critics while maintaining the illusion of doctrinal consistency. They champion scriptural purity, but selectively reinterpret or discard texts when it suits organizational convenience. The same leaders who once expelled members for celebrating birthdays or sporting facial hair now reverse these rules with no acknowledgment of the pain their prior teachings inflicted. In this system, the error is never the doctrine—it’s the follower’s fault for failing to “wait on Jehovah.”

The truth is, these cosmetic changes are not signs of reform but tools of retention. They are intended to create the appearance of adaptability while the core machinery of control grinds on. The rules may change, but the rule-makers remain unaccountable. As long as the faithful are trained to obey without question, to fear independent thought, and to accept doctrinal reversals as “new light” rather than institutional backpedaling, nothing has truly changed.

A system that conditions people to equate obedience with righteousness, even in matters as mundane as clothing, is not a spiritual paradise. It is a spiritual prison. The celebration of pants and beards only underscores how deep the conditioning runs: that such basic human choices were ever in question proves just how far removed this organization is from the freedom Christ promises.

True faith does not suppress justice, falsify history, or micromanage lives under the pretense of divine governance. It does not require its followers to ask permission to express joy, celebrate life, or grieve wrongdoing. No amount of “new light” can illuminate an institution that thrives in the shadows of silence, control, and unrepentant abuse. Until there is truth, justice, and accountability, these changes are not progress—they are propaganda.

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The Big Secret

by finishedmystery in

when the gb brought a formal end to all the type/antitypes in so many ways it could be said that they brought the religion to an end.

the other sheep/anointed teaching that leads to a two class religion was originally based on two antitypes--the jehu/jehonadab relationship and something about the cities of refuge.

in that 2014 annual meeting talk david splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype.

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There was a time when Jehovah’s Witnesses stood out for their elaborate, if imaginative, interpretive schemes—where nearly every Old Testament narrative had a prophetic counterpart, every shadow had a substance, and every minor figure in Scripture foreshadowed some vital element of their eschatological worldview. These “types and antitypes,” as they were called, offered the illusion of a grand theological coherence, albeit an artificial one. But now, without warning or apology, the very leadership that crafted this interpretive edifice has swept it all away—silently, strategically, and with staggering consequences. And almost no one within their ranks has noticed.

The so-called "Governing Body" has methodically unraveled the interpretive framework that underpinned their most foundational teachings—without offering any adequate replacement. The cities of refuge no longer represent anything. The Jehu/Jehonadab model, which justified the two-class theology of “anointed” and “other sheep,” has vanished. The Watchtower’s unique interpretation of Malachi 3, once the core proof text of their claim to be the one true religion, has been discarded without ceremony. Their bizarre 1914 doctrine—built on the supposed antitype of Nebuchadnezzar’s madness—suddenly floats in a vacuum. And rather than explain or defend this revolution, the leadership offers only silence. They do not defend the remnants. They do not declare any exceptions. They simply erase and move on.

But this is not mere theological refinement. This is a self-immolation of identity. For over a century, these prophetic “types” justified their distinctiveness—justified their doctrine, their exclusivity, their two-tier salvation system. And now that foundation is gone. With it crumbles the rationale for the 8.8 million adherents to believe that their salvation depends on loyalty to an organization which, by its own admission, no longer possesses divine insight. Instead, the members are told—implicitly, yet forcefully—that none of this matters. Do not question. Do not discuss. Obey, even if it seems illogical. It is Orwellian in its boldness: the doctrinal pillars can vanish, but the structure must remain standing.

This is not simply confusion. It is theological gaslighting.

Even former members who still cling to much of the movement’s theology have noticed the absurdity. One disillusioned academic insider observed that with the abandonment of prophetic types, hundreds of Watchtower publications have retroactively become meaningless. Generations were taught to build their lives upon teachings that are now openly declared to be speculative fiction. These were not minor footnotes—they were the blueprints. But in place of these discarded typologies, we now receive little more than moralistic platitudes. Naboth is no longer a Christ-figure or a symbol of the anointed; he is just a man who stood up for what was right. Elijah no longer foreshadows the prophetic class; he is merely a bold example. The cities of refuge, which once pointed to organizational safety, now mean... nothing. All that remains is “practical application”—but with no theological anchoring, no eschatological significance, and certainly no compelling reason to believe this group speaks for God.

The Watchtower’s new interpretive minimalism is not humble. It is evasive. The leadership’s newfound "simplicity" is a shield—not from error, but from accountability. For decades, they claimed that they alone could interpret the prophetic Word. Now, having undermined their own credentials, they refuse to acknowledge the spiritual damage caused by their false predictions and typological acrobatics. It is not that they are returning to biblical restraint. It is that they are retreating from the battlefield of reason and responsibility.

Worse still is the cruelty of what this abandonment implies: the erasure of hope. The previous theology, though flawed, at least offered a vision—of vindication, of deliverance, of paradise. Now, salvation is a shell. The old dual-class structure—anointed versus other sheep—was dubious to begin with, but at least it claimed biblical roots in types and shadows. Now those shadows have been declared formless, the types merely incidental, the structure unsupported. And yet, the system remains in force. You must still believe in it. You must still obey. Or face expulsion.

This is not Christianity. This is institutional delusion.

What Christian body, however errant, has ever dared to declare that it can strip away the theological grounds of its own salvation schema while demanding unquestioning loyalty to it? What church has ever said: “We have removed the reason for your hope. Now trust us all the more”? It is spiritual abuse cloaked in “greater discretion.” It is not prudence; it is paralysis.

In their refusal to allow serious doctrinal inquiry among their own members, the leadership has enacted something like a doctrine of willful ignorance. The problem is not simply that they no longer explain prophecy—it is that they mock the very desire to seek meaning. They infantilize their followers, punish theological curiosity, and weaponize obedience. To suggest that Solomon may not be resurrected is not caution—it is absurdity. It is the institutionalization of not knowing, elevated to virtue.

This shift betrays what little confidence the leadership has in their own theology. And so they fortify their control through what one ex-member rightly called “brainwashing preemptive damage control”: if the masses ever begin to grasp what has happened—if they connect the dots and realize their doctrinal foundation has been silently removed—they are already conditioned to respond with apathy or fear.

But truth is not afraid of questions. Hope does not thrive in the absence of understanding. And Christ never required blind submission to an evolving theological fog. The real tragedy is not just that millions are being misled. It’s that they are being deprived—of the very thing they most desire: the certainty of God’s promises and the joy of salvation. All that remains is a counterfeit gospel propped up by suppression, not revelation.

In the end, the greatest scandal is not the change itself—it’s the silence.

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Building Houses for the Resurrected.

by vienne in

recent to b's history blog, an article explaining that n. pierson, a russell associate, built cottages for his soon to be resurrected relatives.

fascinating.

he hated rutherford, but still .... https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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It is difficult to conceive of a religious movement more embarrassingly entangled in the ruins of its own failed prophecies than the organization now known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. One of the most striking and frankly bizarre illustrations of this is the construction of literal houses for the physically resurrected dead—yes, actual buildings, real estate, complete with addresses and deeds—built on the unfounded expectation that long-dead biblical patriarchs would soon knock at the door. Such was the spectacle of Watchtower eschatology in the 1920s and 30s.

In 1925, a devout Russellite, Andrew N. Pierson, built cottages in Cromwell, Connecticut, for his deceased family members, believing they would be resurrected imminently in fulfillment of C. T. Russell’s prophetic speculations. That this man loathed Rutherford, Russell’s dictatorial successor, did not prevent him from absorbing the same delusional timetable. Pierson’s misguided piety was a microcosm of a broader movement that replaced sacred tradition and doctrinal continuity with apocalyptic guesswork and speculative theology.

But the greater scandal lies not with Pierson’s personal folly, but with Rutherford himself, who took the failed prophecy of 1925 and used it as a pretext for constructing a mansion in San Diego—Beth Sarim—which he claimed was built for Abraham, Moses, David, and other ancient “princes.” Yet as the world reeled from the economic devastation of the Great Depression, this Watchtower president lived in ostentatious luxury, chauffeured in a 16-cylinder Cadillac and enjoying a ten-bedroom palace with palm-lined grounds, under the flimsy excuse that he needed the warm climate “for his health.”

And who paid for this absurd house supposedly built for resurrected patriarchs? According to official Watchtower publications, it was a “gift” from unnamed “friends”—a nebulous phrase that conveniently shields the organization from financial transparency. The irony is grotesque: while Rutherford’s followers were selling their homes and livelihoods to finance the Watchtower’s publishing empire and door-to-door campaigns, their leader was sipping wine in California, awaiting King David to arrive and claim the guest suite.

Let that sink in: during a time of worldwide economic collapse, when real human beings were suffering hunger, eviction, and joblessness, a man who claimed to be "God’s mouthpiece" built a mansion—not for the poor, not for missionaries, not for widows or orphans—but for dead men who never showed up. When 1925 passed without resurrection, the mansion remained. When Rutherford died in 1942, the “princes” still hadn’t come. The house was quietly sold in 1948, the prophecy conveniently “adjusted,” and the faithful instructed to move on as if nothing happened.

This is not biblical faith. This is cultic absurdity, a form of religious theater that builds houses for the dead while ignoring the gospel of the living Christ. Real Christianity teaches the resurrection of the body—but it never required building vacation homes for the saints. The Church venerates the patriarchs of old—but never taught they would return to govern from San Diego. Real Christianity proclaims Christ crucified and risen—not date-setting fantasies and eschatological real estate.

Beth Sarim stands as a monument not to hope, but to hubris. To a false prophet who refused to repent of his errors, who manipulated sacred Scripture to justify personal comfort, and who mocked genuine Christian faith with theatrics better suited for a charlatan than a shepherd. It is a physical, historical witness against a system that continues to demand unquestioning allegiance, while rewriting its past every time reality fails to conform to its expectations.

Those who trust the promises of Christ do not build mansions for the dead. They build the Kingdom of God in love, in truth, and in fidelity to the Church that He founded. No Cadillac, no mansion, no failed date of resurrection can compete with that.

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God’s wisdom in allowing bearded JWs July 25 Watchtower

by Listener in

the july 2025 watchtower has a paragraph that claims that it was the superior power and wisdom of jehovah that guided the gb into allowing jws to grow beards.. the study article is ‘can you still learn from basic bible teachings?’ under the subheading ‘jehovah is the creator’ paragraph 7 states-.

“ 7. what did rahela do to accept a change in direction?.

your answer.

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There was a time when Christian doctrine concerned itself with matters of salvation, the Incarnation, the sacraments, and the eternal truths revealed by God. But in the surreal theological theater of modern sectarianism, even the facial hair of a man has been mystically elevated into the realm of "divine direction." A recent example of this absurdity is the July 2025 issue of the Watchtower magazine, which claims—without irony—that the "superior wisdom and power" of God guided a religious organization's governing body into allowing its male members to grow beards.

The paragraph in question offers the tale of a woman named Rahela from Slovenia, who reportedly struggled to accept this shocking new reality: that a fellow believer could appear on stage with facial hair. But with much prayer and reflection on her Creator’s sovereignty, she came to terms with this seismic doctrinal shift. We are expected to believe that Almighty God, the Lord of Hosts, chose to exercise his infinite wisdom in resolving the crisis of... beards. That this anecdote is meant to inspire awe or reverence is not only pitiable—it is profane.

What emerges from such accounts is a grotesque caricature of divine providence. The omnipotent God who crafted galaxies, who redeems souls, is reduced to a micromanaging bureaucrat of grooming policy. The faithful are encouraged to meditate on God's inscrutable ways because a man was permitted to appear with stubble on his chin. The implication is as staggering as it is ludicrous: that God himself changed his mind about something that Scripture never even condemns, because a few men at the top changed theirs.

In truth, this is not theology—it is manipulation. By attaching the name of God to every policy shift and preference of the leadership, the line between divine will and human control is intentionally blurred. Once, Jesus was portrayed beardless in Watchtower publications, against all historical and scriptural evidence, simply because the cultural taboos of the time demanded it. Now that society has shifted again, so has "God's guidance." This is not revelation; it is reinvention.

The mechanism is clear: invent a rule, enforce it for decades, then rescind it as a matter of spiritual enlightenment, attributing both the original prohibition and the new permission to the same divine source. Meanwhile, the laity is infantilized—trained not to discern right from wrong through prayer, Scripture, or conscience, but to await new instructions from above. And when those instructions arrive, they must be accepted as if descending from Sinai itself, even when they contradict what was once taught as sacred.

The tragedy of this theater is not only the intellectual insult it pays to those who love and fear God, but the spiritual damage it inflicts on sincere souls. It replaces the liberty of the Gospel with the chains of organizational whim. It conditions believers to associate divine approval with external compliance, and to accept that even their appearance must be sanctioned from above. But what is most blasphemous is the way God's name is drafted into every petty edict—as if He were the mascot of every memo and adjustment.

This is not faith. It is religious theater scripted by bureaucrats who presume to speak for God but contradict Him by their every inconsistency. The God of Scripture does not obsess over grooming trends. Christ wore a beard not as an act of rebellion but because he was a man in first-century Judea. His appearance was not subject to committee vote. That this needs to be said at all is a testament to how far from apostolic Christianity such sects have strayed.

To attribute the changing fashions of men to the eternal purposes of God is to profane the divine name. True reverence does not mean blind submission to every organizational pivot; it means worshiping God in spirit and truth. And the truth is this: the Creator of heaven and earth did not descend from his throne to approve goatees. What did descend, however, is a spirit of control masquerading as guidance—and the faithful should have the courage to see through the charade.

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

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Once again, the self-proclaimed “faithful and discreet slave” reveals itself not as a prophetic guide but as a doctrinal contortionist. The latest “new light” from the Annual Meeting has sparked a quiet, awkward shift in Jehovah’s Witness eschatology: Babylon the Great, long caricatured as the entirety of “false religion,” no longer seems to be falling according to script. But rather than acknowledging the failure of past prophecies, the leadership pivots, reshapes, and rebrands its narrative—an all-too-familiar pattern for those who have tracked the Watchtower's checkered doctrinal past.

For decades, Babylon the Great was a centerpiece of their apocalyptic worldview. Illustrated in Watchtower literature with collapsing cathedrals and burning churches (always churches, never mosques or synagogues), it served as a convenient foil against which the organization could define its own purity. The message was consistent and forceful: all other religions are corrupt, demonic, and on the brink of divine annihilation. And yet now, when that anticipated destruction fails to materialize, and religion continues to thrive in vast swaths of the world, the Society’s bravado fades into ambiguity.

What is unfolding before us is not a case of divine refinement but strategic rebranding. This recent reinterpretation, in which the “one thought” of Revelation 17:13 is redirected toward the political realm—namely, the nations handing power to the United Nations—signals more than theological ambiguity. It reveals a desperate retreat. Babylon the Great, once center stage, is gradually being relegated to a conceptual background as the governing body attempts to preserve relevance in a world that continues to disprove their chronological confidence.

Let us not forget, their 1919 narrative—that Christ judged all religions and chose Jehovah’s Witnesses alone to be his earthly organization—is foundational to their authority. To walk back any part of their eschatological framework, even slightly, is to shake the fragile scaffolding on which their spiritual supremacy rests. That scaffolding, built on the ruins of failed expectations and revised dates, cannot withstand scrutiny. The fall of Babylon the Great was not merely postponed; it was never happening according to their timeline. Yet, instead of admitting prophetic error, they simply recalibrate the lens, hoping that loyal members won’t notice the sleight of hand.

But the shifting emphasis carries further implications. In toning down their aggressive stance against other religions—especially Christianity—the organization positions itself as more palatable to secular governments and charitable watchdogs. In nations like Australia and the UK, where the Watchtower has faced legal scrutiny and where charity status is under review, it is expedient to appear moderate. How ironic that an organization which once reveled in damning others as "harlots of Babylon" now adjusts its tone to avoid appearing intolerant or sectarian. The fire-breathing denunciations of “Christendom” are replaced with vague, sanitized language designed to escape controversy and preserve tax benefits.

Even more revealing is the selective application of their rhetoric. While Christian denominations—especially the Catholic Church—are depicted as the ultimate embodiments of Babylonian corruption, Islam, Judaism, Eastern religions, and animistic traditions receive conspicuously little criticism. Why? Not out of theological nuance, but due to social caution. It is far safer to attack Catholics—who won't retaliate—than to risk accusations of bigotry or incitement by polemicizing against protected or sensitive religious minorities. Thus, their so-called prophetic courage proves itself to be moral convenience.

In truth, the only “fall” that appears underway is that of the Watchtower itself. Membership stagnates or declines in many parts of the world. Kingdom Halls are shuttered or sold. The once-tight screws of behavioral control loosen quietly. Beards, university education, relaxed dating rules—all formerly grounds for suspicion or discipline—are now tacitly accepted or openly allowed. The governing body, once the purveyor of eternal absolutes, now trades in temporal flexibility.

But what is left when the apocalyptic urgency fades, when the walls of doctrinal exclusivity begin to crack, and when the “us vs. them” paradigm is diluted into vague niceness? The answer is simple: a hollowed-out ideology struggling to reinvent itself. The supposed uniqueness of Jehovah’s Witnesses is being traded for survival strategies, and the prophetic core that once gave them zeal now resembles little more than a shuffled deck of outdated Watchtower magazines.

In this, we see the inevitable unraveling of a theology not rooted in timeless truth but in reactive adjustment. The Catholic Church, by contrast, does not hinge its authority on predictions of imminent Armageddon or on denouncing others to validate itself. Her endurance lies not in sensationalism, but in sacrament; not in doomsday charts, but in apostolic succession; not in adjusting doctrines to save face, but in preserving what was handed down from Christ and his apostles.

As the Watchtower continues its evolution into a more socially acceptable but spiritually vacuous institution, one cannot help but ask: if Babylon the Great is no longer falling, then what exactly are they waiting for? Or perhaps, more poignantly: has the Watchtower mistaken itself for the very harlot it so often condemned?