many posters have said that initially they had doubts and then cane to the internet to check things out.
were any of you afraid that maybe you would find that the org was the truth ?.
i was worried about that.
"If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?"
"They kept turning to me their back and not their face; though there was a teaching of them, a rising up early and a teaching, but there was NONE of THEM listening to RECIEVE DISCIPLINE."
Jeremiah 32:33
"..my word makes no progress among you."
"He that is from God LISTENS to the word of God. This is why you do not LISTEN, because YOU are NOT from God."
John 8:37, 47
Peace,
Aaron
apologies for plagurism.
i don't know where i originally got this from so can't give due credit.... how much did jesus know about the bible?
not having a handy edition around, he had to rely on his memory.
"'Do not lie."
Jonah 3:4, 10
God said calamity WILL COME IN 40 DAYS but then says "it will NOT come." ... hence by "men's defintion" .. a lie.
Peace,
Aaron
and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?
sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.
if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.
So you're not going to answer the question just because she said "my Lord?"
Will you answer it if she says "our Lord?"
Aaron
i showed these to my wife at the meeting last night.
i was surprised at her reaction.
someone was using rev 21:3 in the usual context, to show that god's presence will be with mankind after the big "a".. jw lurkers!
Hi qwerty,
Am I understanding you correctly that when you quote Matthew 28:18 you are agreeing that he recieved the 'authority' AFTER his resurrection and not before?
Peace,
Aaron
i showed these to my wife at the meeting last night.
i was surprised at her reaction.
someone was using rev 21:3 in the usual context, to show that god's presence will be with mankind after the big "a".. jw lurkers!
"But he did receive all authority (seems to indicate the Kingdom authority) in Heaven and on Earth before his death and resurrection. "
Actually, if i may, he recieved it AFTER. He did not have "all authority" in heaven and on the earth. While he was on earth, he DID have 'authority' on the earth. He had the authroty to forgive sins, literally take sicknesses into his own body and bear the illness, rebuke the wind and the waters, the fig tree, and if necessary, a mountain.
He definitely had 'all authority' on earth. When he was resurrected, the Father granted him "all authority IN HEAVEN and on earth."
Peace to you,
Aaron
as a former jehovah's witness i can both empathize and sympathize with you and the many others that have written here.
i apologize for the long post.
although i have posted this under a different heading, commie chris recommended a new toipic, thanks!.
Greetings Roy,
I truly understand what you went through.. as any JW does. The most 'comforting' thing I learned when I finally came and "met" Christ was.. Armageddon is not going to happen the way the WTBTS says its going to happen.
In the end when the sun gets dark, and the moon doesn't give its like, our Lord will be revealed in plain sight for all to see. It will be a horrible appearance that "man" was NOT prepared for. When they see Jesus in his 'actual' form and his 'actual' figure.. they WILL be astonished.
Jesus comes and those who fell asleep in union with him will rise first. Then we who are in the earth are gathered from the four winds and together we meet the Lord in the air. When we return, we each sit on thrones and all who were 'left behind' are gathered before us, ALL nations. And our Lord separates the sheep from the goats.
They are judged. Those who are not in the scroll of life will be gathered, Gog and Magog. Satan is let loose and these are gathered across the earth against the beloved city. This is the war of the great day of God Almighty. Fire comes down out of heaven and consumes the goats AND the demons motivating the goats. Then the resurrection in which everyone who ever lived will rise, both good and bad. They will be judged out of the scrolls. All who are not in the scroll of life are thrown into the firey lake.
So Armegeddon will not take place until after the 1000 years have ended. so.. the JWs will be in for a BIG suprise!
Peace,
Aaron
can anyone out there ease my mind?
i am about to disassociate myself and feel so scared.
what if i'm making the wrong decision?
My dear GodRules,
you said:
"He paid a high price, his Son, in order to forgive our sins."
Actually, that is incorrect. Jesus paid the high price, his own blood, so that we would BELONG to HIM. We were once Jehovah's [witnesses] but have now become Jesus'.
John 17:6
Acts 1:8
You will take close note, that after Jesus was glorified, NO ONE was known as Jehovah's witness, but now Jesus' witness. Why? Because Jesus BOUGHT Jehovah's witnesses to become his personal witnesses. This is why in the Greek scriptures.. you will NEVER see "Jehovah's witnesses" but you WILL see "witnesses TO Jesus."
Revelation 12:17
Revelation 2:13
Acts 1:8
Revelation 19:10
Jesus bought us with his own blood, so that we would belong, NOT to an organization, nor to be in ASSOCIATION with a SPIRIT DIRECTED ORGANIZATION, nor to a man, nor to a "group of men" who call themselves 'anointed,' but solely to Christ. We are to be HIS and ONLY his. No one else's. Our WHOLE 'basis' for life (including everlasting life) is Him, constantly. We are to have Jesus before our eyes constantly.
disassociation only makes things worst, because you are saying by your actions that Jehovah will not forgive you.
Would YOU be willing to get difellowshipped for the sake of Jesus? Would you leave if Jesus asked you to? She/he can 'disassociate' and become the 'sole' property of Jesus and thus, his Father.
Peace to you!
Aaron
hey i need help.
i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.
i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.
"Get behind me, Satan?"
"If people call the house owner (our Lord) Be-el-ze-boul, how much more will they call those of the household?"
"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it has hated you."
Matthew 10:24
John 15:18
peace to you
Aaron
i am brand new here.
just thought i would add my "two cents worth" as they say.
i basically have become very hurt and feel so let down.
Vitameatavegamin,
Regarding your standing with God... the organization is NOT God. God is God. And he does not need an organization in order for people to do his will. for his will is not done by "army, or organization" but, BY MY SPIRIT."
Jesus is our only way to God, and the ONLY Truth of God. So if you are concerned about your standing with God, measure "yourself" in light of Christ. And I DO NOT MEAN say : "How many meetings have you attended, or how much studying have you done?"
I mean, "What exists in your HEART?" Do you have hate, envy, strife? If so go to him and ask him for holy spirit so that you may clean these out of your heart.
Do you have 'love' in your heart? How about TRUE LOVE? God's Love. Do you love those who hate you, FROM YOUR HEART? He who has 'perfect love' in him has God residing IN him.
1 John 3:16
Do you love God will all your heart? If so, then you would be willing to get disfellowshipped for the sake of Christ, yes?
Are you willing to be hated by ALL PEOPLE (JW, ex-JW) for the sake of Christ? If not, look in your heart and "know" yourself as to why.
When you look inside yourself and see your TRUE nakedness and your TRUE 'lack of faith' you will be "humbled" before your God and your God will come to you and speak directly to you, as to what you should and should not do. If you listen and obey the holy spirit, you will recieve more. If you refrain, you will know why you refrained and what you need to do to "hear his voice again."
Peace to you, dear one.
Aaron
i am brand new here.
just thought i would add my "two cents worth" as they say.
i basically have become very hurt and feel so let down.
hello my dear Vitameatavegamin,
I understand when you say there are still some very loving witnesses in the organization. This is true. That is why Jesus said respecting them:
"I will enter in among them and call ALL my OWN sheep out, BY NAME and I will go out and they themselves will follow me."
He is the fine shepherd, our real shepherd. During the time we were in the organization we were 'under' the care of "hired men." But our Father kept hearing our complaint of this slavery go up to heaven before his altar. At that time, Jah remebered Israel, his love, and our father Abraham. And so he sends his Son, once again to 'call out' to us and invite us home.
Many still believe that we cannot hear Jesus directly, but those who believe he talks, hear his voice, and literally "follow him out." He is our "Moses" and he leads us out of Egypt (the organization) through the wilderness to the Mountain of Jah. Then eventually, to the Promised Land, our heavenly inheritance the Jesus prepared for us.
Peace to you!
Aaron
