Oh damn, I thought you would be showing some newly defined abhorrent material.
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clearpoison
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Do not watch this video if your a devout JW
by iamwhoiam in...the reason being is that you will see how it all works...it is very scary and it will definately make you doubt.
this maybe about scientology, but just replace that word with jehovah's witnesses and there is absolutely no difference.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfdl6ga1di0&feature=related.
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Talked to 2 Elders Today
by 2tone ini had a conversation on the phone today with two different elders today.
i dont want to post the topic that we discussed on here at this time.
they had a problem with something going on in my life and i said where is it written that this is a problem.
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clearpoison
Well, on top what is written we should use our educated conscious when deciding about things that are not written anywhere. Use our freedom of choice. The problem here is about what you just experienced. If anybody finds your choice to not fit their own perception of conscious, your choice is bad. Not because there is something written about the subject, but because your choice risked at least one person to fall. You may use your educated conscious as long as it is in line with the weakest person's in any individual situation they are aware of.
Just to take one example. According to what is written or not written, it is ok to consumate reasonable amount of wine together with food. This already is quite tight definition. What if there is person sitting in your table that you know (or maybe even do not know) thinks devote servants of god should not touch any alcoholic beverages. You should go along with this persons opinion, the rest of you ten attending this meal have not freedom of choice to select wine, as this one person would dislike it. What if you didn't know this person feels that way and proceed with serving wine. Obviously this person would refuse to take wine, might develop dark thoughts about this event thinking you are going over what is written. Well, this person contacts against the rules elders first and tells about this horrendous baccanale you just provided. Do the elders ask this person to settle the issue with you directly, absolutelly not. They will contact you and say that you might consider again in what kind of situation it is appropriate to serve wine, if at all. See, your freedom of choice suddenly became this weakest link's freedom of choice.
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Do YOU View Any Type Of Porn? If You Were Still a JW Would You Be Able To Enjoy "Privileges"?
by minimus insince the newest body of elders letter was put on the internet, would your status be affected because of watching porn at all?
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clearpoison
I should now be subjected to JC.
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Who here likes Eurovision?
by TimothyT inhey guys.. for those of you in europe, australia and even usa if you know it, who likes the eurovision song contest?
its great!!!
40 or so singers from all different countries all come together for a massive show where they all sing their song for 3 mins and then move on for the next singer.
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clearpoison
Nope, but I have full understanding why you like it.
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Worldwide meeting times and locations now available on ''jw.org''
by ThomasCovenant inapologies if this has already been posted, but just noticed on jw.org that as well as a 'convention' search there is now a 'meetings' search.. my hometown congregation is there along with address and times and phone numbers.
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http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=frnspnpbrtzgt .
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clearpoison
In some places I saw that they even stated the gatecodes. CP
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People leave the Org but don't drop the doctrine?
by Momma-Tossed-Me inthis deserved its own thread.
one thing i have observed being able to speak freely to individuals now about the wtbts is that even though they fade, they hold one to all or a portion of the doctrine.. if you examine the doctrine openly and fully you will see it has as many holes in it as the org does.
although it may appeal to you it doesn't make it sound scripturally.
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clearpoison
I'm more than happy to be killed by any killer god, because I certainly do deserve it. Just please do not drag me to the paradise. Because of this, how many percent of doctrine is right or wrong really do not matter to me.
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clearpoison
Our bookstudies had the donation box indeed, it was arranged by groupleader.
Technically the bookstudy groups still exists under supervision of appointed elder. It's no longer for bookstudy, but they should arrange frequently field service in group, clean the KH after meetings and as scheduled and fix the yard when it's their turn. This should provide sufficient "intimacy" within smaller group.
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clearpoison
Wasn't it just slightly before the organisation reassured and explained wider this co-existing generations thingy. At least for me the purpose of the book study at home was explained as precaution for forthcoming persecution. When this would happen we would only meet in private homes. As it was obvious that the end wasn't in such near future as was thought earlier, they could temporarilly simplify things and get rid of meetings in private homes. Be certain than when the end is really really near again this arrangement will pop-up again.
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clearpoison
Oh yes, I forgot the overnight stay thing. But what about if this sister in elder book arranges party every night, and this boy is simply so absent-minded that he forgets each evening when the last train went. But do note it must be train, sisters house by the busline would not count and the poor nerd must go and wait on the train station for a while each evening.
Oh and when they are ready with whatever they are doing they then must go and sleep, the boy on the couch and the girl in her bedroom, otherway around would be absolutelly forbidden. What happens when they are awake do not count here.
Based on the facts in the description I would say that this party involves also substantial amount of alcohol as obviously this poor brother is no more able to drive his car. That's why he must go and check the train timetables in the middle of the night. Yes and the girl obviously do not use the train at all as she had not knowledge about it's timetables, she is a car driver but she too is too drunk to drive. Or maybe she won't drive because they would be alone in the car and it was not exempted here.
For the last example in elder book it is obvious that it is ok that this brother sleeps in the same bedroom when the husband is also present, but when he's gone he must find another sleeping arrangement.
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clearpoison
Assuming the betraying party is male.
He confesses
His girlfriend or boyfriend comes and confesses ( this is tricky if he denies it all)
two witnesses see him doing it with another person than his spouse
There is undeniable video or audio recording of the event
DNA proof shows that he is father to another womens children
Assuming the betraying party is female
She confesses
Her boyfriend or girlfriend comes and confesses ( this is tricky if she denies it all)
two witnesses see her doing it with another person than her spouse
There is undeniable video or audio recording of the event
She gets pregnant and he got proof that they have not had intercourse in suitable timeframe.
Maybe I missed some points
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