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  It might be better to not even have the Internet. April 15th WT

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok i was just blown away when i heard this today while driving, at first i thought it was the some old same old but then it went on and it seems like it is on a different level.. the subheading is "guard your heart by exercising self-control.

  on page 27 par 17 it says "one way a person could wonder into the foolish course of the "young man in want of heart" is by aimlessly flipping though television channels or surfing the internet.

  whether intentionally or not, he might chance upon sexually stimulating scenes.

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  Yeah, call me slow but I finally get it.

  The study wt associates the internet with porn as a scare tactic. Even then they won't be up-front and suggest doing without, but indicate it with that sleazy assertion that "some" choose not to have the internet at home.

  The context suggests that those who do are weak in faith and very likely surfing porn. So a believer must now be suspicious if a partner or teenager insists in having internet available. A lot of family arguments and angst follow, courtesy of the wt.

  HOW DARE THEY manipulate people this way???
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  hey.......Hello

  by Snowboarder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey what's up everone?

  i'm new to here.

  it took a while for me to get this hard feelings out of my system....yup....i'm 18 and i'm on my last year of high school...this year i'm taking it online i don't mind it's ok..i do miss the people at school..as u know my parents r jw and i'm one too...i am very active and i do it all for my parents and to avoid confllict but recenlty i just don't like some of bans no what u can and can't do...i'm behind on school beacuse i reg pio...i'm a active person...i really want to leave this reglion beacuse one i can't visit my family grandparents and cousins in europe beacuse they "worldly"....this for me is bs...so stupid....it's my family... if i do leave the jw it's not like i'm going to do drugs and drink or smoke...my goals r to be in the olympics and to start snowboard cross...i'm going to join a snowboard club next season....i don't care anymore about what people think...it's not like i'm doing something bad..it's something that will bring me joy....today my mom was questioning me like crazy about my new jw friend that i ski with....there was a friend of a friend last year that i hang out once with he was a so called good exmaple but he quit the jw and started drinking and smoking so...yup he's dumb...now my mom is like questioning every i associate with..i hardly have any friends and my life sucks..i want to make it better by snowboard more...i'm allowed to go every secound day as long as i prepair for the crappy propangda meetings....ya...support is hard when my parents don't support my dreams but when i do get in the olympics u have only myself to thank beacuse every time i pratice i have bad snowboard days and good i feel like crying at the mountain my heart breaks i want to be faster and better...i want to be the best.. i told my mom i want to be the best snowboarder out there for snowboard cross and she was like humble yourself and all this jw crap...i just don't know how to put it into words.....it's like a backworkd train...i tried to a last attemt at this jw by trying to join a foriegn group...but it failed bad and that was like the straw that broke my back...years of holding my back of trainnign and being active is making me to go crazy ....it's hard i'm just trying to get my pain out when u fall on your snowborad u have to encorage your self u have to train your self u have to push yourself..i wish i could start life all over agian...the war in my country runid a large part and now this....when ur younger u don't know better and this relgion seems good but when u age and watch the olympics like i do and then watch it live...i got a job at the vanoc thing so i was there...it's a different experience to race ....my country did not do so well and i wish i could represent them and get a gold medal....u know it would make my life better....and bring hope to tons of people facing the same story as me....i was a jw from when i was 10 so i kindof miss chirstmas and holidays but i don't care anymore.....my dad came home talk latter.

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  Welcome, Snowboarder!

  I hope your dreams come true. My son is a snowboarder too, but not as good as you must be!

  You are close to being an adult, so whatever life brings you, don't let anyone else make your choices for you.

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  It might be better to not even have the Internet. April 15th WT

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok i was just blown away when i heard this today while driving, at first i thought it was the some old same old but then it went on and it seems like it is on a different level.. the subheading is "guard your heart by exercising self-control.

  on page 27 par 17 it says "one way a person could wonder into the foolish course of the "young man in want of heart" is by aimlessly flipping though television channels or surfing the internet.

  whether intentionally or not, he might chance upon sexually stimulating scenes.

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  Other have decided not to have access to the Internet."

  This is as credible as the untrained Ethiopian girl offered 3000 Euros a month story. How people must need to believe to swallow this stuff!
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  THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY ENCOURAGES LYING

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the wts informs its followers that they are not: "under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

  " (insight on the scriptures volume ii p. 245).

  "for the purpose of protecting the interests of god's cause, it is proper to hide the truth from gods enemies... this comes under the term war strategy.

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  Spade

  Intervention for Child Custody Cases was only deemed necessary in instances where Jehovah's Witnesses religion has been under attack during child custody cases

  If you have any basis for this unsupported assertion, please present it. If one parent did not want the children of the marriage to be raised exclusively in the wt, would that be an attack on the religion?

  In any case, "intervention" is one thing, and lying is another. Omitting some part of what is true and relevant, or conveying a false impression, these are not interventions, but lies.

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  new member

  by chase in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so is everyone here a jaded ex or is it a mixed crowd?

  i am da.

  with an overzelous mom.

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  A big welcome to you too, foolmetwice! Like you, I've never been in the wt, but have a SIL in, and some friends. They try to convert me and I try to deconvert them!

  Look forward to your story and sorry you've had such a rough time. I saw how my SIL changed over the years, it's sad to watch.

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  I have so much spiritual gas from that spolied so called spiritual food over the years...what should I take?

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need to get rid of it.. when i was a kid, the brothers would always get on stage and talk about what an abudant buffet of spiritual food from jehovah's table we will receive.

  when i was a kid i use to take everything so literally, so i would imagine a buffet of ham, chicken, macncheese (the most creamy mac n cheese, candy yams, turkey, corn bread).

  i used to wish that the brother would finish with the prayer so we could get to old county buffet, so i could get to the literal food.. .

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  a walk?
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  JWs and Counseling/Psychologists/Therapists

  by Had To Go in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello - i am hoping that some born-ins, still-ins, elders (ex), ms, etc.

  can help me with a question i have.

  what is the typical jw thought on seeking counseling via a licensed therapist or psychologist?

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  From HHG's thread on an Ezine article why jws are not a cult:

  Witnesses are not encouraged to leave their mates who may not be Jehovah's Witnesses, but to stay with them and work hard towards a good marriage

  Yet from BDs post

  The organization calls him a spiritual widower

  What an organization. . .

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  JW FOOL COMMENTS ON WHY I'TS NOT A CULT !

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this guy must be mad.

  please read and take his comments apart.!.

  how jehovah's witnesses differ from cultsby john w. scottjohn w. scott.

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  A few more points: Vague terms such as "a confusing definition for many" and poisoning the well "religious opposers" are typical of wt publications. Using a single book as a basis for cult definition is simply an appeal to authority. So para 1, effectively that it is not a cult because there are no secret stages, proves nothing. That said, there are secrest, such as the Elders manual. Para 2, the freedom to choose work has been addressed; also discouraging higher education further restricts freedom of career. then this gem: "to what extent one wishes to associate with family who are not Jehovah's Witnesses" is a masterful evasion of outright lying, yet conveying a false impression. Who would think that shunning a family member who had left the religion was mandatory to remain in good standing? "Witnesses are not required to or encouraged to consult with elders or with anyone, before or when making personal decisions in life" Really? What if such a decision involves something defined as sinful or apostate? Also does not mention that if a jw is aware that another is pursuing such a course they must plead with them to consult an elder, or dob them in. para3 "Witnesses are not encouraged to leave their mates who may not be Jehovah's Witnesses, but to stay with them and work hard towards a good marriage" Superficially true, yet the pressure to influence the unbelieving mate and any children is relentless. I've seen it. There's plenty more, but no more time. As a non-jw I may be wrong on some or more; please let me know if I am. Retro
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  Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am noticing here and there that the wt literature will say things like "one bible dictionary says ..." or "one scholar says ..." and then proceed with a quotation.

  my immediate reaction is to ask myself why they didn't provide the specific source of the quote - author, publication, page #, etc.

  so i am wondering, do other magazines do this?

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  Quendi wrote

  The Bethelites told me I should make my concerns known to the Society.

  That's what my jw ladies told me also. Are jws taught to give that answer? But in fairness, they accepted that they had some responsibility for the veracity of material they were presenting as "truth".

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  Feb.20 WT Study: "Reap Blessings Through God's Spirit-Guided King!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  during the brain-numbing lesson this week, i looked ahead at the article for next week.

  it's hard to get past the title alone:.

  reap blessings through god's spirit-guided king!.

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  As an outsider, what strikes me is it's always getting, reaping, blessings, eternal life etc.

  Does anyone want to do God's will just for love? When I ask my jw ladies they quickly say yes, of course, just because we love Jehovah.

  And the next sentence they ask why wouldn't I want to live in Paradise.

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