By trashing higher education. The financial hurts are obvious, but also the loss of vocabulary, reasoning skills and the delight of the symmetry of numbers ; the awesomeness of biology.
Retrovirus
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How many ways....
by Lady Lee in... can you name that the wts hurts people?.
two big ones for me:.
it pushes people to the edge and when they commit suicide they say: "well he wasn't really a jw anyways soit has nothing to do with us".. it pushes people so much to do more and more and more that they get depressed, and physically sick.
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need help
by Crazyguy infirst post, been lurking for a bit.
i have been seeing problems in the org for a couple of years now and could not come up with any answers.
recently i researched the topics of mediator and new covenant and thats when the sh8t hit the fan.
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Retrovirus
Welcome, Crazyguy
What everyone else said. Also, from and old post by Bluesbrother, this might help:
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w8811/1pp.22-23WhenMaritalPeaceIsThreatened***Absoluteendangermentofspirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God?s spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate?s opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer?s spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul?s counsel about taking a believer to court.?1 Corinthians 6:1-8.If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.?Hebrews 4:13.
So, stand your ground. Especially if you backpedal, the circumstances are not extreme. You are still the spiritual head of the household. Then, rebuild bridges with your wife, read a lot here and the Steven Hassan books and try again . . .later . .. softly. . .carefully.
Best wishes, Retro
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Retrovirus
Did anyone else see the list of articles in the tract? One is "How to end the Silent treatment" Do they ever listen to themselves?
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Conversation with a JW coworker
by MrFreeze inso i started working at my new job in december.
there is one person in my department who is a jw.
then there is another jw who works in my building, who just started going to my old hall about 6 months ago.
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Retrovirus
"That's funny, because it mostly people in (name of area) that deterred you."
Amazing. Not even a question, he's telling you why you were 'deterred'
Perhaps you could reply with something like "you may have been misinformed".
Retro
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Memorial trauma-morial!
by Julia Orwell inhaven't been to the kh in a couple of weeks but went to the memorial along with hubby because i'm still in the early stages of my fade.. the speaker gave a really nice talk which was divided into 4 parts: why we need ransom, how it benefits us, who should partake and how to keep benefiting.
i was ok with the first 2 parts cuz he backed up with scriptures.
then the part about who should partake departed from scripture and went into this convoluted thing about how although jesus died for us, we're not to partake because jesus didn't make a covenant with us so we don't partake.
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Retrovirus
Sorry it upset you, Julia!
The "emblems" are just that - they are not the body and blood of Jesus, and they don't need to represent that to you. Since you are "awake" in effect you were there as an observer, not a participant. You haven't rejected anything.
Retro
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My experience with the "faithful and discreet slave"?
by Blttex inwho really is the faithful and discreet slave........ .
funeral experience.
i attended my first "worldly" funeral last saturday.
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Retrovirus
Welcome, Blltex, and thank you for a thought-provoking first post!
Retro
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My husband MISSED the meeting today! Unheard of!
by Julia Orwell inhe decided to take me somewhere nice in the country for a day instead, and when he suggested it last night i was amazed that he would have even thought of missing the meeting!
he was one of those guys who only missed a meeting, literally, if he had a spinal injury and couldn't move!.
but, i've been sharing a little of the ttatt with him, teensy tiny bits that i can substantiate from the bible or other reputable sources.
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Retrovirus
Hi Julia Orwell, great progress and glad you two had a good day together! Every meeting missed lessens the indoctrination.
Hi Niomar1 and welcome! I gather English is not your first language (actually it's not mine either ). You write
but with these things i wrote before i have expressed my spontanous indignation as i realised what a sly trap is evolving behind your husband's back in this special time while he is more vulnerable
These are indeed strong and harsh words. If you have been with Jehovah's Witnesses for any length of time you will know that they are taught and encouraged to approach persons in turmoil or suffering after a loss because the may be "receptive". They also present only the happy and positive aspects of their religion, so that the negatives are only apparent when the new recruit has become committed to beliefs and dependant on the congregation's good will.
Do you also feel spontaneous indignation over these sly traps?
If you are willing to discuss, we must take it to a new thread; Please start one, or if you reply I'll be happy to do so.
Retro
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Raphael Aron in The Age newspaper: Jehovah's Witnesses 'a cruel cult'
by WinstonSmith inthis popped up on the age website today, might have to buy the paper tomorrow..... http://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.
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Retrovirus
Just found the article in my paper! BTTT especially for fellow Aussies!
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Anyone else having a bad week? Thought I was going to die!
by Newly Enlightened inso, this week has been hell!!!
it's been bad enough that all of our jw friends & family having been shunning us, 'unfriending' us on facebook and sending nasty emails to gojira...
so i have a dog, zoey that likes to tattle on the others, even humans.
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Hi NE! Thank goodness Zoey warned you :).
For the rest, I cannot imagine how bad the "unfriending" must feel, and I'm so sorry Gojira is getting nasty emails. Hope you both find many new, real friends and fun activites out here in the "worldly" world.
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One baptism...
by NeverKnew ini just realized, i have to explain the joke so you guys will get it.
in some churches, communion is open to anyone who has been baptised regardless of denomination or church affiliation at baptism.
so, even though one may be confirmed or baptised at one church, it can be acceptable to go to another church and receive communion.
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Retrovirus
Thanks, Steve2,
And to start, please let me apologise for the "parting shot". I have read many reasonable and informative posts from you and this seemed different, but I should not try to guess at reasons. The hot and humid night we had here in Melbourne didn't help me much.
The group of Witnesses that blocked my path so that I had to slow for the child did happen - but only once, 3 years ago. I was seriously irritated then. I would agree it is not typical.
Also, just to clarify; the OP was not mine; I don't know NeverKnew at all. I have been to many churches; my birth religion is inclusive and liberal, and have taken communion at several. From my perspective the jw practice of only a few select "valid" communicants is very strange and I think many would find it so.
Retro