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  Pedophiles Knocking

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  pedophiles knocking .

  in a nutshell, it points out why the general public should be leery of jehovahs witnesses knocking at the front door.

  my article is titled pedophiles knocking and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/07/pedophiles-knocking.html.

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  Mary said

  That's probably because Witnesses generally work with someone else when they're out in field serve-us, hence that would make molesting a child while knocking on doors very difficult

  But if a child answers the door the paedophile knows where the child lives, and the time of day or week s/he is alone, and can return. Such a child is likely to be lonely and a great subject for "grooming". Even if an adult is present and there are children, the adult may not always be there, or may be induced to trust the paedo over time.

  I am a single parent (kids are adults now) and there were times when my children were briefly alone in the house. They were well trained and never admitted adults even if they knew them, but a known molester going door to door makes me feel sick.

  The "ministry" is a great cover for a paedophile seeking new victims. The wt is putting conversions ahead of public safety and this is beneath contempt.

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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  It sounds like you're the conservative type (personal responsibility).
  Once again, focussing on the messenger instead of addressing the issues.

  Even the WTS notes that child abuse is under reported

  Noting a problem to bemoan the sinfulness of Satan's world falls far short of contributing to its solution. Of course it's easier too.

  From reading these posts, everyone is transparent except an elder. “Professionals applicable to child abuse reporting laws,” is to help things get reported. It's not to take the place of personal responsibility

  Your problem with reading comprehension continues. No-one has said this. Many people in an evolved society have responsibilities (legal and moral) for helping minors and handicapped persons; these cannot be left entirely to the primary carers!

  JW elders are not singled out here, nor do they or the wt merit a free pass.

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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  Prime writes

  I believe that every instance of abuse as well other crimes should be reported to the authorities whether it's the law or not. If you're a hearsay witness, you're potentially being used for something illegal.

  I don't understand the last sentence. How can you be "used for something illegal" by reporting probable abuse or other crime to appropriate authorities?

  Now, spreading such information to other, non-authorised persons or organisations - such as wt headquarters or legal department - that could lead to defamation procedures!
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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  That's what I believe. That's why most JWs hardly ever come near places like this forum. Too much negativity and blind hatred

  Nothing to do with being forbidden to, then?

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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  From a "worldly" perspective

  If a person wants to exploit the door-to-door ministry to commit a crime, they won't meet with the service group

  This is nonsense. If a paedophile wanted a safe cover to seek out children alone in the house, what would be better? He/She wouldn't need to assault or groom them right away, but could return at any time.

  Even if a person is disfellowshipped, they can still go door-to-door.

  Of course they can, but not as "ministers" of the jw religion.

  @Odrade, yes, that was the first thing I noticed too. "This woman" indeed

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  Symposium with a talk about "Human Apostates"

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "there is a symposium with a talk about "human apostates" that is very slanderous and defamatory and has the ex-jw blogosphere up in arms over it.".

  if a person doesn't fit the description outlined in this talk, the talk isn't referring to you.. .

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  @Prime, you posted

  Few or many, there are individuals that have done things described in the talk.
  
  "For instance, in one country a news report instigated by apostates falsely stated that Jehovah’s witnesses supported Hitler’s regime during world war two."

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/hitler-nazi.php

  Can you point to to where this article alleges that Jehovah's witnesses supported Hitler's regime?

  Thanks, Retro
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  Making the Jehovah's Witnesses OWN THEIR OWN EVIL

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  drunkards often scape-goat responsibility onto their drinking--as though it were morally defensible to cause accidents or death!.

  serial drinking and driving is a plague on highways across the world.

  drunkeness has been labeled as a "disease" and it isn't unusual.

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  Hi Terry,

  From your post above

  I believe that being a Jehovah's Witness who had 100% believed that Armageddon was happening in 1975 destroyed my wife when NOTHING happened and the Society went silent for sooooo loooong

  Yet your OP suggests that we are all - alcoholics, culties, ets, - responsible for the harm we do. So was your wife responsible, or the WT? Or both?

  Also what aout a non-indoctrinated person approached by a jw, often at a low point in their life. Don't they also have a responsibility for researching the religion rather than drifting along with the love bombing?

  (BTW, well done from another single parent)

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  Was I too harsh?

  by chrisuk in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, first let me apologixe for both my spelling and my grammer in advance, both are not my strong points.. i'll keep this short.

  since i've been a child my mother has studied on and off with jw's ( i'm now 34) so i've been around it most of my life, i studied on and off myself for around 10 years.

  thank's to this site and jwfacts i'll never study or step foot inside a kingdom hall again.

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  Welcome from another non-jw, Chrisuk!

  Now all I've got to do is help my mom see this religion for what it is.

  Wish you all success with that, but please go carefully. If the Borg can't capture you the next objective will be to drive a wedge between your mom and bad, worldly associations. I speak from experience.

  all the best, Retro
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  My response to any one who asks why I am fading

  by Skinnedsheep in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have thought a lot about what to say when i am approached.

  it will kill my fade, but oh well.. "after the new light i had to test my faith and i couldn't prove to myself that the slave was limited to the governing body.".

  if cornered by an elder...."can you prove to me from the scriptures that matt.

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  Welcome This_suit_doesnt_fit!

  Dont worry about the contradiction in saying you are ill or depressed and acting positive & upbeat, they will not notice. They arent really paying any attention to you

  That's a very good obersevation,and I look forward to more of your posts. Perhaps you could start a new topic and tell a bit about your circumstances?

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  Crisis of Conscience and the preaching work with WT literature

  by losingit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "it is interesting to contrast the deliberate elimination of prayers andsongs at witness meetings in mexico with the action of the watchtower society in the united states, where they were willing to fightcase after case all the way up to the supreme court of the countryrather than give up certain practices, such as offering literature fromdoor to door without a license and without having to register withthe police, the right to use sound cars, distribute literature on streetcorners, and many other such practices which are covered byconstitutional rights.

  the organization did not want to relinquish anyof these things.

  it fought to hold on to them, even though theseparticular practices are certainly not things that were done by earlychristians in the first century and hence cannot be counted as amongprimary christian practices.".

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  Hi Losingit, you might like to check out the threads on Mr Unthank's battle with the WT in Australia.

  Here is a good start.

  To summarise, in Victoria we have a legal requirement that all whose work may involve children, paid or voluntary, must carry a current card to show that their record is clear of molestation and related offences. Of course, jws may well engage with children in their "ministry", but very few if any carry the WWT card.

  In its defence the wt claimed

  1. the "faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity"

  2. The "ministry" is a personal and voluntary choice by the individual

  Surely only an organisation focused on profit can be so blatently dishonest.

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