no-zombie - “…the fear of losing control…”
Trust me, it was much more than that.
It was the fear of not really being “God’s Exclusive Earthly Organization”.
There isn’t much they won’t do to keep up that premise.
the entire internal religious culture of the watchtower organization is harmful for its current members.
the culture seems to traverse ethnic and national barriers.
however, the worst of each culture all around the world appears to have a symbiotic relationship with the religion in an attempt to make the org fanciful in every nation and locality.
no-zombie - “…the fear of losing control…”
Trust me, it was much more than that.
It was the fear of not really being “God’s Exclusive Earthly Organization”.
There isn’t much they won’t do to keep up that premise.
the entire internal religious culture of the watchtower organization is harmful for its current members.
the culture seems to traverse ethnic and national barriers.
however, the worst of each culture all around the world appears to have a symbiotic relationship with the religion in an attempt to make the org fanciful in every nation and locality.
ukpimo - “…how long do they expect to carry on in the next 50 years?”
They don’t.
The changes are all stopgap measures to stay in the black and continue to exist until God bails them out with Armageddon (any day now).
True believers, all the way up.
i was thinking that since russell started the movement in 1879 which became jehovah's witnesses in 1931 never has there been a period in time when all their activities just - stopped.
especially the preaching work.. do you think they will find some obscure verse in daniel that talks about this period of time and try to make a greater fulfillment?
like the 70 weeks of years or the 42 months?
“Everything is part of Bible prophecy!
Even the stuff that isn’t!”
menacing mistral writes:.
for those who may be interested, jimmy bell has, with the help of others, created a letter to be sent to president trump regarding watchtower and their harmful practices and danger to children.
below is the link where you can download the letter.
Trump is - first and foremost - a businessman…
…so I would recommend approaching something like this from more of a financial angle.
Maybe a laundry list of ways that the Org is essentially abusing its “charity status”.
Not that I think it would really work…
…as nowwhat says, the JWs are small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
there are no real numbers for jws but they are a relatively small group.
compared to the number of catholics at least.. the australian commission gathered more than 5000 cases with over 1000 perpetrators that went completely unreported for the jws.
likewise they did the same for catholics and collected just under 4800 cases with 1880 perpetrators.
At least one per congregation, I’m sure.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-oppose-removal-of-tax-status-in-canadian-proposal.html.
the proposed change will revoke charitable status of canadian churches who have an anti-abortion position, and will not give tax exemptions to organizations whose sole claim is to promote religion, which is the basic claim for all jw related entities in canada.
this will be interesting!.
hoser - “…I haven’t heard a peep from any jw about this... Usually it’s talked about as potential persecution among the jws…”
Ten bucks says the ones who are aware of it probably have enough brains to realize that trying to spin “paying back Caesar’s things to Caesar” as “persecution” would just make ‘em look like a bunch of numbskulls.
i've just remembered that i attended a hall where one of the brothers consistently quoted daily mail articles to back up his answers during the meetings.
i found it hard to keep a straight face when the inevitable daily mail article was quoted to 'prove' a bible passage at each meeting.. no one really seemed to mind and i remember one time i spoke to an elder and said this has to stop as he is passing off tabloid tattle as hard fact.. elder wasn't interested.
i guess as long as the answers backed up the party line no one cared..
the drying up of babylon's waters is a profound biblical motif that illustrates the certainty of divine judgment against those who oppose god.
looks like denmark is starting to hear the outcry of wt victims.
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“Obey, obey, OBEY!!!”
what could be "an instruction not sound by a human standpoint"?.
i'm going by dissolving their legal entities...any guesses?.
The “follow instructions even if they don’t make sense” thing arguably primes the rank-and-file for pretty much anything, no matter what…
…including doubling-down or mainstream reform.
Hypothetical scenario…
…the WTS loses its tax-exemption over child abuse scandals and human rights abuses in too many countries to stay afloat and they’re not able to get their little real estate empire up and running in time…
…so the GB tells the rank-and-file that “it’s time” to hunker down in their bunkers basements and await further instructions…
…while they and a select few bugger off to the Caymans where they have nest eggs stashed, and let the rank-and-file think they’ve been raptured taken away to heaven to kick off the Great Tribulation.
a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.
elder: 'yes.
i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!
“Our Father, who art in heaven…”