Posts by KJV

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My wifes affair of over 20 years with local elder!

by ukexjw in

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i would like to take this opportunity to give a brief account of the events that i have had to under go over the last 5 weeks.

i have been a jehovahs witness for 38 years and all of my close family are currently active jws.

i got married to my wife in march 1999, she was a baptized witness and had been for over 30 years.

KJV

ukexjw,

If you don't appeal and decide to sue you need to let the elders know that you are suing them, not the Society. The Society will not help these elders finacially, they will be on their own. Thus they will announce "that you no longer believe as one of Jehovah's witnesses", which is the same as disfellowshipped. Elders don't want to be sued and if you have the finacial means you need to talk to an attorney. It's sad that you have to endure this crap just because you wanted to protect your wife's privacy.

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A suggestion for discrediting the Society

by RunningMan in

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in this forum, we often wonder what we can do to make the society look bad.

we come up with ideas like picketing assemblies, mail campaigns, legal action, and many others.

although these ideas are laudable and i would not want to discourage anyone, they sometimes create sympathy for the witnesses, and make us look bitter and fanatical.

KJV

An "Apostate Kit". It could sell for $9.95 plus shipping. I wonder what it would include.

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Memorial Scrabbling

by Demitrius in

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well they are scabbling around to find as many people to attend the memorial again this year.. i walked out 3.5 years ago and have not heard anything since from the elders.

i have one that lives about 50 metres away and he is one that has not even telephoned me in all that time.

.. just the other night he turns up on my door step and hands me the usual invite!

KJV

What I never could understand is why people who were inactive and never went to meetings bothered to go to the Memorial. According to the Society unless a publisher is "whole souled" to Jehovah (making all the meetings, service, etc...) they will die. I quit going when I found out that on the same night as the Memorial, Satan groups meet just like the witnesses and pass the bread and the wine, not eating or drinking any of the "emblems", because they are saying "NO" to Christ body! Some spooky stuff!!

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Did Jesus Sin?

by KJV in

have you ever wondered why god dealt with man up until the first century c.e.

and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from him?

could it be that god is upset with mankind for killing his son?

KJV

-willy think,

If we assume that Jesus died with God's approval, then we have to come up with some rational explaination as to why Jesus felt abandoned. The Society teaches that at the last minute, God withdrew His holy spirit from Christ, and Christ wasn't aware that this was going to happen. Is this what you believe? Otherwise how do you explain Jesus crying out his apparent pain over being "dumped"?

John Lennon sang "Father,...you left me...but I never left you...", I don't think Lennon was singing any kind of victory song.

-Abaddon,

I agree that there are many unanswered questions about Jesus but I posted my question "Did Jesus Sin?", assuming that he was God's son and was supposed to die for our sins. Why do Christians automatically assume that Christ never sinned and passed all his test with "flying colors"? Jesus was also a "rebel" and in his rebellion it appears he violated the Law. If he was really tested and God allowed him to be tested then there was a 50% chance that he could have failed. That's a pretty high percentage, wouldn't you agree? I personally don't know what to make of the historical Jesus but I do feel it is pure unmitigated credulity on the part of Christians to assume that Christ could have not sinned.

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JW Mass Suicide

by KJV in

what do you call a mass suicide of jehovah's witnesses?.

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a "publisher's clearing house".

KJV

What do you call a mass suicide of Jehovah's witnesses?

A "Publisher's Clearing House".

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Did Jesus Sin?

by KJV in

have you ever wondered why god dealt with man up until the first century c.e.

and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from him?

could it be that god is upset with mankind for killing his son?

KJV

willy think,

This scripture raises some questions. Did Jesus really say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?", or did the author of Mark take this from Psalms 22 and insert it? How could Jesus crying out that his "God has forsaken him" or "abandoned" him be a victory song? It would seem to me that if Jesus really said this he felt God was through with him.

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Did Jesus Sin?

by KJV in

have you ever wondered why god dealt with man up until the first century c.e.

and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from him?

could it be that god is upset with mankind for killing his son?

KJV

Have you ever wondered why God dealt with man up until the first century C.E. and then for the last 2,000 years we haven't heard from Him? Could it be that God is upset with mankind for killing His son? Or could the reason be is that Jesus sinned?

What if Jesus had sinned? What would be the consequences? The NIV Study Bible answers this on page 723 where it reads:"...If God will only let Satan tempt Job by breaking the link between righteousness and blessing, he will expose the righteous man for the sinner he is." It goes on to say:"It is the adversary's ultimate challenge. For if the godliness of the righteous man in whom God delights can be shown to be a terrible sin, then a chasim of alienation stands between them that cannot be bridged. Then even redemption is unthinkable, for the godliest of men will be shown to be the most ungodly. God's whole enterprise in creation and redemption will be shown to be radically flawed, and God can only sweep it all away in awful judgment."

So if Christ had sinned, it would have caused God to turn away from man for good and all that awaits us now is final judgment. What sin did Christ commit? Here are some points to consider:

-At Mark 7:19 it states that "Jesus declared all foods clean". This is in direct violation of God's commands at Leviticus the eleventh chapter where certain animals were forbidden to be eaten. The law wasn't done away with until after Christ death.

-At John 10:33 the Jews were going to stone Jesus for blasphemy because he claimed to be God.

-At Matthew 5:22 Jesus says that if anyone calls his brother "a fool" he has sinned and will go to Gehenna and yet Jesus calls the Pharisees "blind fools" at Matthew 23:17.

-The Secret Gospel of Mark alludes to the possibility that Jesus could have practised homosexuality.

Christians will claim that Jesus didn't sin, that he was faithful up until death. But why did Jesus say before he died "Father, why have you forsaken me?" Is that because in the last few seconds of his life God withdrew His Holy Spirit and Jesus was left "standing on his own two feet"? Why wasn't Jesus left two stand on his own two feet during his three and a half year ministry? And if Jehovah had "purposed" for Jesus to die for mankind without ever sinning then Jesus couldn't have sinned if he wanted to! What kind of test was that?!? But according to the Bible Jesus was tested many times and a real test would of allowed for the possibility for Jesus to have failed any test and thus sin. If this was the case and Jesus had sinned, the early Christian writers have done a great job in covering this up.

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Why no monkey stories?(evolution)

by sleepy in

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(the title is hyperbole bt the way as is the use of ape, i just didn't know the name of the creature that is supposed to have developed speech)).

something is puzzling me about the history of humankind and the stories that have been passed down through generations as fact.

the various histories of how man came to be.. which leads me to the question,.

KJV

Hi sleepy,

You said..."These have offspring who have inherited this ability and these ape break away from the other groups who cannot communicate well. Of course they don't have perfect flowing speech but over time this developes while other similar apes remain speechless. Won't then this ape men notice that there are others like them but which cannot communicate through speech? Will this then be passed through their offspring?"...

The answer to your question is yes. I saw this very situation while living in the Ozarks of Missouri.

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SAVE ROE NOW!!!

by Valentine in

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dear friends of reproductive freedom,.

george w bush and his right-wings friends are quietly pursuing their domestic agenda while the nations attention is focused on international terrorism.. bush's attacks on women's reproductive freedom continue.. examples;.

1. on his first day in the oval office,bush re-instated the global gag rule,which takes family planning funds from organizations that even mention the option of abortion to their patients,risking womens lives overseas.. 2. bush has promised to re-visit the food and drug administration's approval of ru-486.and anti-abortion forces in congress have already introduced a bill to limit it's availability.. 3. with the expected retirement of 3 supreme court justices ,including sandra day o'connor,who is often the critical swing vote on abortion rights issue,bush has made it clear that he will nominate the most adamant opponents of abortion and civil rights.. the bush administration is committed to strategies that limit life saving stem cell research,criminalize abortion providers,reduce the availability of birth control and deny funding of health reproduction education in the schools.. what better way to take on the christian coalition and ultra-right leaders and movements,than to use your voice to speak up now!!.

KJV

WOW 144,001!

You must know her personally to be so offended by my statement! I only am stating my strong opinion of Madonna based on what I see. Madonna loved bumping the heads of young kids with her "sex" video and other explicit material. Why don't I like her? Because of the fact that while she can influence other children and feed "porno" into their minds, her little daughter is too precious to be "polluted" by the show Barney! Madonna has attitude and she thinks she is being cute. Like and love her all you want 144, but she is a hypocrite with a double standard. I know that she can't keep lourds from finding out the truth about her mother. I don't read gossip magizines or any other trash about people...I am basing my feelings on what she herself has said and done. And that is my complaint on this thread....a double standard. A person who wants to play with explosives should learn how to handle matches first!

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The "TRVTH" may not set you Free

by Amazing in

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does "trvth" set one free?

truth can certainly promote and assure freedom ... but the "key" to the jailhouse door is not some ultimate "trvth" that we must find.

some argue that theists, deist, or atheist are free due to some "trvth" or that they are all hypocrits because they debate one another.

KJV

When Jesus was arrested Pilate asked him:"What is truth?"(John18:38). Jesus never answered him! And I always wondered why. Maybe Jesus didn't have the answer!