I travel to South Korea once a year and I was in Seoul shortly after North Korea bombed the island and killed 4 people. The news papers were reporting the retorics from the North and I asked my host if I was going to be able to make it back home before the war starts! He started to laugh and said that the threats of war have been going on for decades...that they were part of North Korea's strategy to obtain concessions and aid from foreign nations. I not saying that this time there are no risks of escalation, but what I see here in the news has been a daily occurance for decades for South Koreans...
Posts by NVR2L8
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98North Korea - U.S - War ?
by *lost* inthings look to be hotting up here.
scary.. what are the chances of it all kicking off ?.
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RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!!
by Julia Orwell inthat's how i feel when i see these crazy new wt study articles and the inane reasoning contained therein, and the indoctrination machines of meetings run by all those little hardened human cogs and the unending stream of propaganda we're pitched up against.
.. you could spend all your time working through those wt articles (see cedar's post on the latest 'new light') and refuting the stupidity, and yet most witnesses aren't even concerned with changes to the fds or 144 000 because like all of humanity they're too busy trying to scratch a living as it is.
such airy doctrine changes don't have any effect on their day to day lives and is thus irrelevant.
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Julia,
I experienced the same emotions for decades...I wish instead I listened to reason and left long ago. Of course I would lose all my friends, but I quickly realized I had no friends within the "brotherhood". I stopped going to the meetings suddenly and I didn't get one phone call from my friends...of course they would tell my wife to say "hi" or that they "miss" me. Then a year later 2 elders came to my door unanounced with their uniform suit and tie and bible in hand. I told them to leave me alone. One of these elders is the hugger type...he even kissed me on the ckeeks at every meeting...Now I realize this meant absolutely nothing since he never even made an attempt on his own to find out what was going on with me. He to my door because of his sense of duty for the Watchtower and not love towards me!
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Madness in the pages of the very first Golden Age. The date? Oct 1, 1919
by cedars ini was doing some research in the very first issue of golden age (forerunner to awake!
), published october 1, 1919, and couldn't believe what madness was contained on some of its pages.. for example, i can't believe i missed this clipping when i was researching my article on racism in early watchtower literature a year ago..... .
segregation of black children is basically praised as "wise" and "probably an advantage to all concerned.
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NVR2L8
The only way Watchtower writers can praise the value of the Golden Age magazine in publications written decades later is because they didn't researched what it contained...or if they did, they were counting on the fact that these old publications would just disapear with time and be available to very few. Thanks to the information technology nothing can be burried in the past!
Thanks Cedar for bringing these back into the light!
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What if you were DF'd for apostacy, but instead of the expected...
by respectful_observer inthis is a hypothethical, so i'm not looking for whether you would ever do this, or "why would you want to subject yourself to this...", but rather, what would happen if some did do this..... .................... you're half of a married jw couple, and you admit to doubts about certain wts teachings and it leads to an eventual disfellowshipping.
but instead of walking away from the kingdom hall forever, you stay put.
you faithfully go to every meeting with your spouse.
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NVR2L8
The best of conduct from semeone disfellowshipped would be perceived as an attempt for reinstatement and proof that this form of discipline works. Instead of going to the meetings with my wife I go out on my motorcycle...meet nice people at the coffee shop...go for walks along the river...I couldn't stand going to the meetings now that I know the truth about the truth...Ivalready gave them 50 years of my life so the time left is mine.
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Are we all bitter?
by LouBelle ini posted a link on fb that lead to a topic here.
i then had one of my 'friends' start having a go about how bitter everyone is here....fact he said.
(he used to be a jw elder but left a while back, not sure why he left or if he has even researched the faith since leaving) the more i tried to reason with him that actually it is a support forum, the more he lashed out that everyone here bad mouths the jw's and only attack the jw's.
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NVR2L8
All attacks against the WTS are perceived as personal attacks by individual JWs...even someone who is inactive may not feel the same bitterness expressed here against the lies and spiritual betrayal of the WTS because he as not yet broken free from the mind control of the cult...Also they he has been taught about us bitter apostates...
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24 baptized at Tucson, AZ today - attendance 5,670
by Gayle ina friend, non-jw, went to convention today.
she observed about 1/3 baptized were youth.. ***********************************************.
i read article:.
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Not kidding...the speaker said the talk should serve as a reminder for all who are dedicated...of the commitment to serve with the same zeal we had on the day of our baptism...of course he did not review the questions...
I remember a time when we had less than 500 at a CA and there were always baptism candidates...but these were the good ol'days.
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24 baptized at Tucson, AZ today - attendance 5,670
by Gayle ina friend, non-jw, went to convention today.
she observed about 1/3 baptized were youth.. ***********************************************.
i read article:.
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NVR2L8
I haven't been to a meeting since June 2010...but I was shocked to see 0 baptized with 1500 attending at one of the last CA I attended! Bizare to watch the brother giving the talk for no one...
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Things we missed out on :(
by lilbluekitty inanyone else get really mad sometimes about the fact that we missed out on proms, dances, sports games, being in sports, being in band, being in clubs, or going to college, or even getting good grades since armageddon was always "right around the corner"?
even if i went to college this year (at age 28), i'd be 10 years behind everyone my age!
i'm still going to go back but i feel so upset sometimes how far behind my peers i am in just about everything, including in the working world, where i am an entry-level employee with only a high school diploma (thankfully i didn't quit school to pioneer!!
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I fully agree with Snare & Racket...my parents converted when I was 4 and I can't remember not being a JW. Never celebrated "pagan" holidays or birthdays. I woke up in my mid 50's and today I realize what I missed in life outweights the "benefits" of being a JW. Just a few examples: freedom to think and act freely - not having to tow the WT party line, to be able to express love for family members who don't share my beliefs - I shunned my daughter for 10 years...10 years I can't make up for. I was talented at school but in the mid 60's I was told not to waste the few remaining years getting an education because the end was here. For the longest time I believed the "truth" protected me from turning into a worthless person or a criminal and that the education I was receiving in the organisation was special. Sure, I learned how to speak in public and how to sell ideas to others...but several people I work with learned the same skills in college or university and they did it in 4 years while I spent a whole lifetime attending meetings where the same things are taught week after week....and by the way, where is my diploma? Some have said that no one forces us into the cult...I agree, but the brainwashing is gradual and painless...until you are so conditioned that you would forfit your life or the life of your children by refusing a blood transfusion...Suicide bomber in other religions are not forced either!
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In All Honesty Would You Have NOT Given Blood To Your Child If He or She Needed it?
by minimus inas a "faithful witness", i never had to deal with this on a personal level.
i imagine the pressure must be extreme with the elders and others "supporting" you to do the right thing.. do you think you would have given blood to your family member, especially your child if you were in that situation..
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When I was 6 my dad was in an accident and doctors told mom that without blood he would die...dad fought the doctors and pulled the iv needle out of his arm...until they tied him down to be able to give him non-blood serum. He had his mind made up to die as a JW hero and I am 100% convinced he would have expected the same from us. Of course his survival was attributed to Jehovah and not the doctors...
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Another New Member
by lriddle80 ini have been out of the "truth" for about 13 years, but 9 of those years i was someone who was out but thinking i would probably go back at some point...out but not all the way out mentally.
my family are still active members and i am a little bit shunned, not invited to family get togethers, that sort of thing.
i was one of those people that left and then did drugs and partied for a while.
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NVR2L8
Welcome Iriddle80 and all new members. I also pray god to keep me from coming to this apostate website...but he hasn't yet been able to even crash my old PC!