Posts by NVR2L8

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What is truth?

by Heisenberg in

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well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

This site is called JW.net....not muslim or catholic.net so obviously it attract the attention of those involved with the WT cult. The great thing about this site is you don't have to agree with everything others post. As an example, I totally disagree with the previous post from Vanderhoven 7 but at the same time I respect his opinion. I feel no urge to silence him, call him names such as mentally diseased or assume that he supports Satan...do you get my drift? JW is a high control cult that converts people by isolating them from family and friends who are used by Satan when they attempt to hinder their spiritual progress in their "truth". It starts with no longer having time for those outside the cult because the convert will no longer celebrate pagan holidays, then he is busy with studying, attending meetings and eventually preaching...Then the dedication to the organization binds him to obey all rules. Any transgression may result in shunning where he would be isolated from his new "family". In my case, I was raised a JW from the age of 3 and lived faithfully until my early 50s. I served the congregation and had parts at some assemblies. Then I caught the WT lying while doing research in their publications for a public talk. My mother' words resonated in my head: who's the father of the lie? I did more research and found more misquoted secular sources to support WT claims that have since been replaced by new light...I came to the realization that I had been fooled and had no one to turn to without risking to be labeled an apostate. So I kept silent and stopped going to the hall. My wife is still active and the only contact from the "friends" come in the form of salutations through her. My own wife doesn't want to know why I no longer believe...Only a cult can have such a hold on people.

Heisenberg to me all religion are cults but I can only talk about the one that kept me prisoner for most of my life. I have enjoyed 4 years of freedom where I went from existing to living.

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2nd and 3rd Genners -- Did the passing of the 1st/2nd Gen. cause doubts for you?

by Apognophos in

i can't discuss my family history here in detail while i'm still fading, but suffice to say that i'm a third-generation witness.

my grandparents' generation of witnesses expected the end to come in the middle of the 20th century.

they led spartan lives and largely went without having kids, as they awaited the imminent new system.

NVR2L8

My last meeting ever was at the 2010 district convention where I heard the infamous generation talk. The very same morning the WT review was also the article on the overlapping generation. I had found the talk's outline on the Internet several weeks before and knew what to expect. So during the talk I watched the reactions from the folks sitting in the reserved section for the aged and infirm. The applause and the heads bobbing in approval was too much to take. These people were being told that all their sacrifices because the end was close were done in vain...and still none seemed to realize that in a few years they will all be gone only to be replaced by another group of people sitting in their place to listen to the same lies. My dad died 11 years ago and my mother turned 81 and both firmly believed they would enter in the new system alive...the passing of time and the failed expectations would convince a normal person that they have been misled...but brainwashed cult victims can't come to the realization they have been fooled...my mother is still pioneering.

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can an unhappy married woman vent?

by sowhatnow in

i continue to be saddened by the fact that i am married to such a selfish man.. i want to know if i am the only wife who has no say when it comes to using the house she lives in for activities including other people.. .

let me explain.. yesterday my daugher who is 35 got a new puppy for my grandaughter who is 13. today my daughter and son in law are going to help my uncle at a job, and my granddaughter wanted to spend the day here, my daugher said shed bring her and the puppy over, i laughed and said 'your dad wont have that, ill have to go to your house'.. after all it will 'upset' the 2 cats they will hide all day [like they do anytime someone including my grandchild is in my home] .. i already knew that he would not like it if she brought the puppy over, [weve had dogs so its not like he hates them].

he doesnt care if his grandaughter would have enjoyed playing with the puppy over grandmas house, where she likes to be for a change, and that fact that id like to see what my cats would do when they saw a dog for the first time in thier lives.. maybe id have liked to play with the puppy .. when i said to my husband that my daughter said she wanted tp bring them over he said.

NVR2L8

I agree with Terry, especially with point 3...don't allow your husband to treat you like you're worthless - if that's how you feel, get help. Just tell him what you want and what you are going to do...it's your home as much as it is his...you don't need permission. If he doesn't like it so what. I am sure he would not accept being controlled by you...the same goes the other way.

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Warwick, Class 5 Building project, Why?

by DwainBowman in

so what is a class 5 project?.

it is one done to the highest standards.

paint & drywall, fit and finish, of everything to perfection.

NVR2L8

The WT is doing exactly what they acused other religions of doing...building beautiful dwellings using money mostly donated for the preaching work...millions will be spent to settle lawsuits...and they will continue to take from the poor. Andre will sell his only chicken to pay for a light switch in the house of god in America...

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Be honest post do all posters on this site believe the bible is 100% or has flaws?

by booker-t in

we in the psychology/sociology field have a saying "when people protest too loud usually they are overcompensating".

i did not understand that when i first started studying psychology but now i understand it completely and it is so true.

when i hear someone constantly bashing something or someone such as gay bashing or ethnic bashing or religion bashing sometimes i wonder what are they hiding.

NVR2L8

For 5 decades I defended a book that I believed was the word of god...It was unthinkable for me to challenge what I had been taught by my loving parents and a brotherhood who guided me in the path leading to everlasting life. Even when I read something contradicting my beliefs I was always able to find a counter argument that made sense to me in the pages of the WT publications. Until the day I tried to verify a quote from a secular source that was used by the WT to support their claim of a steep increase in earthquakes since 1914. This particular quote was broken in two parts with (...) in between. From that very moment I started questioning every quotes, quickly realizing that I had been lied to. Quickly I came to realize I could no longer believe in anything I can't prove...including the existence of god. I had figured out the difference between belief and faith, and without faith the bible is only a collection of fables.

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One thing that's good about being a witnessi

by dothemath in

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friends

i went to the mall recently .....omg!

glad i don't have to go through all the craziness over christmas shopping..

NVR2L8

I hated and still hate that poor excuse used by the JWs to show how being in the truth spare them from the agravation of Christmas shopping and overspending on gifts. Not one of them considers that most people find pleasure in giving during the holidays...and when they say that they don't have to wait for a holiday to make a gift, how often do they actually do it? Never. Another thing that annoyed me was how they criticize how people support charities more during the holidays, when they should do it all year long...well JWs, when do you ever support food banks or toy drives? Never.

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Murder in Kingdom Hall Parking lot ...............Today

by Watchtower-Free in

http://connecticut.news12.com/news/police-woman-fatally-shot-husband-after-dispute-1.9689688.

police: woman fatally shot husband after dispute.

bridgeport - police in bridgeport say they are investigating a deadly shooting that apparently stemmed from a domestic dispute.. the bridgeport police crime scene unit says a homicide occurred at the kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses, located at 245 huntington turnpike, at around 1:20 a.m. sunday.. police say 36-year-old griselle pizarro, of bridgeport, fatally shot her husband, jacob lopez, in a pickup truck parked outside the hall after he reportedly assaulted her.. more: connecticut crime coverage.

NVR2L8

...who knows how many people will come in the truth after seeing the JW.org sign and access the life saving information it contains.

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A PARABLE for Jehovah's Witnesses

by Terry in

a man buys a parrot from a pet store but returns it the next day.. he demands to see the owner as he places the brass cage on the counter with a loud thump.. "i wanted the best parrot money can buy.

i can afford it!

i'm a billionaire, you idiot!

NVR2L8

In the ministry a couple challenged me to answer their questions by only using the Bible. I quickly realized they knew their Bible well while all I could do was to parrot what I learned from the WT. I couldn't reason on any of the scriptures they were showing me. I told them I would do research and return with the answers. I did some research but in the end I was still using the WT publications that provided prefabricated replies...Knowing that this wouldn't work, I never returned to that door because I was just a talking parrot.

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Any elders out there? How to Local needs talks work?

by Letts Party in

so a local needs talk was lovingly given at our hall last week that i'm positive targeted me specifically.

it had to do with missing meetings for work.

they even had a demo on what we should do if our boss asks us to stay overtime on a meeting night (basically say "no" and risk losing your great job which you have no desire whatsoever to lose)... so i'm aware that there's a sort of protocol the elders follow when someone in the hall needs to work on something.

NVR2L8

BOC....in my 50 years in the cult I never heard a marking talk for child abusers...

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Any elders out there? How to Local needs talks work?

by Letts Party in

so a local needs talk was lovingly given at our hall last week that i'm positive targeted me specifically.

it had to do with missing meetings for work.

they even had a demo on what we should do if our boss asks us to stay overtime on a meeting night (basically say "no" and risk losing your great job which you have no desire whatsoever to lose)... so i'm aware that there's a sort of protocol the elders follow when someone in the hall needs to work on something.

NVR2L8

Letts Party,

In my congregation an elder would have approached you first to discuss your situation and to provide council. If the situation persisted or if several members were missing meetings because of work, there would be a local needs talk. In my case, I was a MS and missed several meetings due to business trips. When I told the elders I wanted to step down they offered to give me 6 months to settle matters. I told them travel was part of my work and I had no plan to change my career. They were reluctant to accept my resignation as a MS, especially because I was well liked by the brothers and reaching out...I already knew TTATT and this was my first step in fading out. In the past we had a CO who removed any servant who had shift work that would cause them to miss even one meeting a month. He made it clear that your job should never be more important than serving the WT.