the watchtower's luxurious aircraft was damaged the first time in 1995:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001207x03587&ntsbno=anc95la077&akey=1
"on june 12, 1995, at 1530 alaska daylight time, a wheel equipped cessna 402b airplane, n710ws, registered to and operated by the watchtower bible organization and tract society, collapsed its nose gear while taxiing back after landing.
Probably owned by a wealthy JW who is able to write-off his fishing trip on his taxes by "donating" it's use to WTS for "zone visits" in Alaska. Seems like there was well-to-do lawyer or engineer brother from somewhere in the midwest US (Chicago?) who also had home in Alaska and owned nice private place which he frequently used to shuttle around WT brass. Qualified as HIGH END Green Handshake.
DOC
the faithful slave has put out a list of things they think jw's should have on hand, due to the closeness of armaggedon.
if jw's dont have such a list they can ask their local elders for a copy of such.... .
does anyone know about such a list ???.
I thought there was checklist published (perhaps in the KM) for disaster preparedness. I do not recall this being specically mentioned as being for the Big A, but rather being prepared for the next hurricane or tornado or earthquake or flooding.
Radio with batteries.
Bottled water.
Non-perishable and canned food.
First aid kit.
Medication for life threatening illnesses.
Several bottles of good bourbon. (Oh, I think I may have added that to my personal list. That may be duplicated in Medication, but better to have too much than too little.)
Seems like there was even Special Need Talk on this.
So far, only have stored the bourbon stocked away. Keep forgetting to buy the other stuff.
DOC
there was quite a debate on another post about the increase/decrease throughout the wt history surrounding 1975 and subsequent time periods when ther have been major adjustments in doctrine.
it was said that the stasticis from 1965-1985 do not reflect a massive defection, despite the failure of the wt's prophecy for the end of the wicked system of things by 1975. .
i see the overlapping generation as another potention issue to cause fallout.
There was quite a debate on another post about the increase/decrease throughout the WT history surrounding 1975 and subsequent time periods when ther have been major adjustments in doctrine. It was said that the stasticis from 1965-1985 do not reflect a massive defection, despite the failure of the WT's prophecy for the End of The Wicked System of things by 1975.
I see the Overlapping Generation as another potention issue to cause fallout. Yet there is still an increase as reported in the Yearbooks.
I WONDER HOW MANY WHO ARE STILL OFFICIALLY "IN" ARE REALLY OUT "MENTALLY".
Who here who is still "IN", are just in for family, business connections, social contacts, etc???
HOW MANY in your hall are still "IN" for those reasons??? Estimate what percent in your Cong that you think are just going through the motions.
MY QUESS: At least 30%. And that doesn't consider faders or inactive ones who are not there at all.
DOC
sorry i pressed enter on the last topic by mistake.
anyway, in the new december 1st, public edition of the wt, in an article titled "will the earth survive 2012?
" an actual paragraph says this:.
NO SURPRISE THEY NOT TRY TO PREDICT WHEN GOD WILL DESTROY THE WICKED........
They've been proven wrong on every prediction they've ever made about it so far. 1914,1918, 1925, 1975 end of 20th Century, etc etc
Even they realize that it's time to stop looking so damn stupid, not to mention looking like a False Prophet.
DOC
today i went early to my dad's house to help my disabled sister with medical paperwork .
at 10am the cleaning lady shows up .
she was a jw recruit of my mom's yrs ago, and use to be like a sister to us a really long time ago .
If you are just fading, the you are in "good standing" (not DFd or DAd). Tell her so. Tell her if she has a problem discussing the business arrangement with you, that you are confident that an alternative "employee" can be located.
Your reason for you inactive status could be that you have been offended by unchristian conduct from other individuals like her who for get the very basis for Christ's ransom sacrifice -- LOVE for mankind.....and the failure of other witnesses (like her) to apply what Christ stated as the 2nd greatest commandment-- love thy neighbor. Her self-righteous, and rudeness as she displayed to you is in conflict with any teaching of Christ. Suggest she put down her WT mag and read the Gospels more.
DOC
my oldest teenage daughter (15) is a publisher and goes to all meetings with her father (we divorced, he picks her up).
i try to get her more involved in school and to spend more time with friends outside the congregation.
i'm to the point where i'm going to simply forbid it and send her off to collage early!
LOLA -- You might use the WTS own explanation to suggest she postpone the decision. THEY state that it is the most important decision in one's life. Why go into this while still in the "bloom of youth" (which they apply to waiting on the decision to choose a marriage mate).
Suggest that as long as she is an unbaptized publisher, they will be anxious to help he to progress and support her in every way possible. Once she is dunked, they will seriously look down on her if she has a month that she cannot meet her "quota". Then she may be ostracized by other JW peers because she is "weak". She can also claim she is trying to be respectful of your opinion on the matter as it will make things easier on her, and she doesn't see where going ahead with the decision to be baptized is important to make you feel like she does not respect your position as one of her parents. You have been reasonable in allowing her father to pick her up for meetings on meeting nights when he does not have custody. They should honor your request about waitng for baptism, or you could play hardball with where she goes or does not go when you have custody. Courts will allow you the option of exposing her to YOUR religion (you might have to get a new religion) as well.
(Proverbs 6:20) . . .Observe, O my [child], the commandment of your father, and do not forsake the law of your mother. . .
(Matthew 15:4) 4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother ’. . . It's a decision she should respect just to keep peace in the family until she is of legal age.
You might even suggest to your hubby that there have been non-believing custodial parents who have successfully petitioned the court to make restrictions that the child CANNOT be coerced to take the step of baptism until they are of age. It will be let hassle and less expensive if he cooperates with this request from you. He should have no problem with her waiting until she is of legal age.
DOC
when you had to deal judicially with cases of apostasy, did it ever pique yout curiousity?
did anyone ever tell you about something they had learned that shocked you and made you investigate for yourself?.
Of the situations I ever heard that involved apostacy, two elders started their own churches, the other was arrested and alleged to have molested children. Since such cases are difficult to prove (2 witnesses and all), that was difficult to pursue, however there were plenty of folks he had spoken to about his views which were contrary to the bOrg including reading Ray Franz' books. JC took the easy way out and used the apostasy card. Have to admit, at least they didn't let a child abuser stay in among the R&F to possibly harm other kids.
DOC
the inside story of jehovah's witnesses .
stevenson, william charles, 1936- .
publisher: hart pub.
I'm not sure about statistics.
Figures lie and liars figure. Example: 100% markup = 50% profit, but to most ears, 100% sounds like twice as much.
The real figures are NOT the people missing from the Hall and thus missing in the published statistics.....
The real figures are those that are OUT MENTALLY. And those are difficult to tabulate. If you are still IN -- what % at your Hall are OUT MENTALLY?
I say at least 30% are just going through the motions for social relationships, staying in for family, staying in for business connections, keeping one foot in the door (just in case the Big A comes), etc
DOC
i posted earlier on here today about the gut-wrenching physical ailments that come from living a double life as a fader.
it's effort.
it's work!
"Hey, I banged a worldly waitress like 10 times this summer and decided you should know." (I'm also attracted to dudes, so that scandal would actually be a relief to my parents who certainly "wonder about" me since I've never married and it could even put an end to a lot of the hateful gossip in dubland).
Is it ironic that getting DFd for fornication with a worldly gal could potentially improve anyone's reputation in the Congregation......
DOC
last night whilst i was relaxing 2 elders came to my door to tell me i am officially da'd because of my 'actions'.
they weren't specific but i have been to church and telling others about the wbt$ scandals.. i was told they thought i was rude for ignoring their letters and not attending my jc.. my reply: 'you were the rude ones for sending me hounding letters when i specifically asked you never to contact me!'.
i got a 'hurumph' from the lead eldub.. i don't remember the whole conversation but they were annoyed i kept referring to the wbt$ as 'just a big business' but i told them they were on my property uninvited so they'd have to listen to my opinion and i don't have to listen to theirs.
This is why someone just started a post about JWs being paranoid.
I'm f***ing paranoid that I'm gonna slip and say or do something to result in those guys showing up at my door.
It just happened to an old friend of ours. Same behind the back, closed door, secret hanging. Letting her know AFTER the fact.
It's not paranoia when they really are out to get ya!
DOC
