Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Leaving JW - My own experience

by joao in

as some of you may know, i disassociated myself from wt$ last april.

and i did it in the noisiest way i could find: i wrote my disassociation letter and made sure to send it to all elders of the two congregations in my town and to all jws whose email address i possessed.

i knew this would bring loads of issues because my wife was in as well as our younger daughter.

DesirousOfChange

The result is that they are feeling betrayed by the vast majority of our "friends" who have only shown conditional love for them.

We can truly relate to that. We had one last JW friend that had stated in contact with reminders of the Memorial time and secret passcode to the Zoom Meeting, and CO visits, and assemblies (online recordings), but it seems they have now disappeared also. All the other "friends" have been out of touch for several years now.

We reflected on the fact that either no one noticed we were no longer there, or no one cared. (Yeah, that stings but I guess it's better than getting constantly badgered.) Certainly no one thought of Jude 23 and attempting to "snatch us out of the fire" if they had any inkling of us having some spiritual weakness. No one left their 99 sheet to rescue the 1 who had strayed (Matt 18, Luke 15).

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I Work in a hospital 17 years religious reality death check!!

by Witness 007 in

so 17 years in a hospital alot of ptsd...i sometimes go the prayer room and read the prayers of family members who i know later the loved one died anyway.

if you have any idea about god you area kidding yourself.

good doc live...bad doc you die!.

DesirousOfChange

Yep. As long as people THINK it works, it WILL WORK FOR THEM.

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I Work in a hospital 17 years religious reality death check!!

by Witness 007 in

so 17 years in a hospital alot of ptsd...i sometimes go the prayer room and read the prayers of family members who i know later the loved one died anyway.

if you have any idea about god you area kidding yourself.

good doc live...bad doc you die!.

DesirousOfChange

Actually, I do believe that prayers can help. At least as much as any other placebo.

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I'm Not Saying Americans are Stupid

by Simon in

but maybe they over-value their own abilities.

c'mon, imagining you could fight a gorilla, lion, elephant, or bear with your bare hands?!?.

this could be an amazing new reality tv show though ... "ok, bubba, you've just beaten a dog ... now for $16,000 do you want to fight a chimpanzee?

DesirousOfChange

There must have been some Americans whose answer, eyes narrowing, was 'What do you mean if I was unarmed?' ~ Mark

I actually believe there is some truth to that. I have friends/family that have gone bear hunting (not Grizzly) and wild boar hunting for sport and were successful. There are those that feel immortal with a big gun in their hands. I always thought that during the GT I would like to be in their "group" so at least we'd have wild game to eat.

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Watchtower November 2022... Adapt to new adjustments and new changes

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | november 2022. study article 48. keep your senses when your loyalty is tested.

14 vlado, a 73-year-old elder in slovenia, struggled when his congregation merged with another congregation and the kingdom hall that he attended was closed.

he says: “i did not understand why such a beautiful kingdom hall would be closed.

DesirousOfChange

All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

November 15 2013 Watchtower, p.20

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Never thought I would see this in my family circle

by Captain Schmideo2 in

so, my 17 year old niece reveals to me that for the past few years, her father (my sister's husband) has been physically and verbally abusive to her.enough so that it finally came to a breaking point, and she reported it to the police.

she told me that she had wished she had told me sooner, but she was trying to wait til she was 18 so that she could leave.i knew that she and her parents had been locking horns for the past couple of years, but i chalked it up to teen puberty and general growing pains.

but on their last, most recent visit, i could tell that something was really eating at her.apparently, what set off this latest incident was that he discovered that she had been seeing/involved with a non-witness boy about her age, and got so violent with her that it left marks.ironically, she went and got help from her boyfriend's father, a paramedic, who documented the injuries and encouraged her to report it.so, yeah, he spent a night in jail.she is now staying at the parents of her boyfriend, while still trying to have some aspects of her old life (work, school, etc.

DesirousOfChange

I thought bearing false witness against someone was a serious sin in the Bible

NOT when it is considered as Theocratic Warfare

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Is the WT right that the Lamb's marriage is after Armageddon?

by Kosonen in

the wt org claims that the lamb's marriage will happen after armageddon, despite the fact that revelation 19 very clearly says that the lamb's marriage happens after the destruction of babylon the great.

and that after the lamb's marriage he with heavenly armies will go to destroy the wicked.. the wt claims that the order of events in revelation 19 is not really in that order referring to psalm 45. but i can't find in psalm 45 any explicit contradiction to revelation 19. .

paragraph 10 in the following article shows the wt org's view point:.

DesirousOfChange

I see that some of you are not interested in understanding the Bible.

Likely best that we spend our time trying to understand something that is pertinent to today, or at least in this century/millennium.

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questions for those who were once elders

by enoughisenough in

i watched some wendi renay youtube videos.

the former elder who was being interviewed mentioned a couple of things i noted.

i would like to know what your reactions were at the time you learned what i am going to relate if you had the same or kindred experience.

DesirousOfChange

I've never heard that elders are angels statement.

Maybe you slept thru it. Those meetings were a snooze-fest.

Elders are also the "glorious ones". Best not speak poorly of the "glorious ones". That's grounds for DFing.

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Upbringing

by punkofnice in

i was brought up as a born-in(tm) here in the uk.

it wasn't until i was 50 that the scales fell from my eyes, i woke up, got da'd from the cult and my wife was advised to leave me by the elders whom i had served with on the boe.

one of which i know wanted to schtupf her.

DesirousOfChange

50 wasted bloody years.
I guess what I'm asking is, does it sound normal that I hold this resentment and am frustrated that I can't explain to him?

Sounds about like our story (wife & me). Both born-ins. My father even took an early departure from the military (and the pension he would have gotten) because, well, you know.........Armageddon was "right around the corner" and he didn't want to be on the "wrong side". Mom is still in. Which is a good thing for her situation. Her friends are there.

As far as anger/resentment against my parents -- I can't say I have any. They were wanting to give their kids (me) what they felt was the best circumstances for the future. Sure they were misled and misguided, but can you hold them at fault? I was slow to awaken and I live in the age of the internet. They didn't have websites or CoC available at the click of a button. They only had crazyass apostates (Evil Slave, they were called then) marching around at conventions with placards. (You think everyone would have found better ways to help awaken others today.) They did they best they could with what information (or lack of it) available back then. (I do kind of resent whoever gave/sold great-grandpa the Studies in the Scriptures.)

OTOH, my wife's parents bailed after the failed 1975 prophecy. Yet, they supported/encouraged their kids who remained active JWs. Now THAT is pissy! Evidently (WT TM), they saw something long before we ever did. WTF didn't they share all that with their kids who assumed that they just didn't want to live the JW lifestyle (smoking, drinking, etc). Yes, she has some resentment when talking about that.

The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!

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Letter to a JW

by TheOwl in

so my grandparents got a letter from a jw.

they have gotten these kind of letters over the years and they always give them to me and this time i got fed up and i wrote the guy back.

just wanted to post my reply letter in case anyone could use a chuckle on a sunday morning.

DesirousOfChange

Hopefully it's a "seed planted".

No one single thing causes a JW to awaken. It's a multitude of little things until one of them is the "last straw".