Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Military Spending; Corruption or Incompetance?

by Abaddon in

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enron was small beer; worry about the pentagon!.

http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,325985-412,00.shtml?.

just last week president bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending.

DesirousOfChange

ALL government agencies have accounting issues. The biggest cause being the fact that they aren't actually accountable to anybody.

The national debt is the greatest threat to the Country. Committing fraud on government money should be treated as TREASON and those who commit massive fraud should be executed.

Of course trying to get that passed through Congress and all of the fraudsters that are elected government officials would be impossible. However is some shit disturber congressman like Matt Gaetz or Rand Paul would sponsor such a bill, it would be interested in seeing who would vote against it. Perhaps they should go to the top of the list of those who should be investigated.

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Did you loathe going in field service, if so why?

by HappyGuy in

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i always felt like i was not a "spiritual" person because i loathed going in field service.

i'm not even sure why i loathed it.

i am very outgoing and can talk to anyone, anytime, about anything.

DesirousOfChange

Way, way back, many people enjoyed the visitors and respected religious discussion.

Today, people don't want to bothered with JWs or anyone else (except maybe Ed McManon (RIP) with the Readers Digest Sweepstakes award).

Considering they have "the most important life saving message on earth" . . . . perhaps they should reconsider the effectiveness of knocking on doors when no one is home vs some other strategy. OH WAIT! Any other means would cost money. BACK TO WORK YOU SLAVES!

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NEW LIGHT ON THE 144,000 EXPLAINED

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/heulwyd00ku?si=9az0zrsquy67v74g.

the watchtower’s approach to "new light" is, frankly, a masterclass in manipulation.

when they introduce a new interpretation or change their teachings, it's presented as a revelation, showcasing just how guided and spiritually in-tune the governing body is.

DesirousOfChange

The Watchtower's concept of "new light" allows them to alter previous teachings when they no longer fit current circumstances or interpretations.

". . . . when they no longer fit current circumstances or interpretations."

There are the key words. They NEVER "see the light" in advance. No, it's always AFTER the old light has been proven false and REQUIRES CORRECTION. As 2014 approached and "all those who witnessed the signs" of the beginning of The Last Days were dead, their "OH SHIT!" alarm goes off and they see they have to change the doctrine.

So it was when the number of the "remnant" started rising instead of diminishing. First, they said any increase was from those still clinging to their doctrines of Christendom, OR . . . . the new (younger) members who were partaking of the Emblems were MENTALLY ILL. (I do still believe the latter excuse.) Since "The Big A" still has not come to bail their ass out of this dilemma, it's time for another CORRECTION.

So it is with WT and their Divine Direction.

Holy Spirit my ass!

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Blood Fractions

by alice.in.wonderland in

someone is pressing me about blood fractions on an unrelated thread, so i just moved the topic to an appropriate location.. "the point for me in every thread you touch is your sickening dishonesty and nauseating apologies for the old men in brooklyn who tell you what to do.. they have told you that products made from blood don't use blood, and you are so corrupt and gullible you just accept it.".

i accept any bible-based religion that adheres to the bible as its authority.. the purpose of this magazine, the watchtower, is to honor jehovah god, the supreme ruler of the universe.

just as watchtowers in ancient times enabled a person to observe developments from afar, so this magazine shows us the significance of world events in the light of bible prophecies.

DesirousOfChange

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Leaked Annual Meeting Video: "Expect Sudden Changes" Jeffrey Jackson

by raymond frantz in

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https://youtu.be/uxqqyrrffow?si=wo0jotyvjg76oljk.

well that's sort of related to the next talk on our program brother jeffrey jackson will discuss the theme don't be surprised by sudden changes, brother jeff you have our.

attention well i'm sure we all agree with this fact in recent years there have been a lot of changes even since the last annual meeting there have been many changes some of them perhaps are a little surprising or may seem to be sudden but you know brothers and sisters when we look back on how these changes have come we can see that jehovah has gradually prepared us for each of these adjustments and changes let's review some of the recent changes we've had what changes have we seen with regard to our understand understanding of bible teachings at the 2021 annual meeting we received an adjusted understanding of john 529 it was explained that the resurrection of judgment will not be a judgment of condemnation rather it will be more like a period of probation the unrighteous mentioned at acts 24:15 will have an opportunity to gain everlasting life but their names will not be written wr in the book of life at the time of their resurrection to have their names eventually written in that book these ones will need to respond positively to the great educational work that will take place during the thousand-year reign then at the annual meeting in 2023 we gained enhanced insight into what we do know and what we don't know concerning jehovah's judgments we learned that the door of opportunity for people to take a stand for the kingdom does not shut when the great tribulation starts with the destruction of false religion at that time perhaps some will be like the egyptians in moses day who took a last minute stand and joined the exodus of god's people at the same annual meeting we adjusted our views with regard to jehovah's judgments of those who died in the flood and those who were destroyed in sodom and gomorrah also at that annual meeting an adjustment was made regarding the reporting of our time and activity in our preaching work instead of focusing on reports we try to make good use of every opportunity to witness then we receive the 2024 governing body update number two in that update we saw the need to adjust how we interact with those who have committed serious sins and have been removed from the congregation what other major adjustments have we recently seen in our preaching work the emphasis now is on studing bible studies and making disciples not on distributing literature to that end the focus is on studying meaningful conversations not just on using memorized presentations were you surprised by these adjustments perhaps so but as we look back we see how one adjustment in understanding gradually helped us with the next adjustment isn't it true that gradually jehovah has prepared us and when we look back on it we see how logical this training has been to refine our understanding but events in the world likewise have changed it's true sometimes in the world you have sudden changes for example the pandemic but often times change in the world is gradual isn't it true with regard to the view of morality homosexuality abortion even what's acceptable and not acceptable with regard to conduct all of that has happened gradually in the world and it's not until you look back and see how different the world is today with regard to those matters that we see that there have been a lot of changes but this can be dangerous because as things gradually change we may get used to gradual change and forget that there are some sudden changes about to occur uh let's take our bibles please and if you turn with me to the book of luke chap 21 now this is an example of sudden change in luke chap 21 uh notice there in verse 34 the words of our lord jesus are recorded and he said in verse 34 but pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with oving and heavy drinking and anxieties of life and suddenly suddenly that they be instantly instantly upon you it's interesting to note that jesus had already said that this day he was referring to would occur at a time that we don't think is likely so what lesson do we learn from what jesus said it's a warning isn't it that we can't just sit back and think well things are gradually going to develop we know which way it's going and maybe it's not going to happen yet you know got a little bit more wiggle room there with regard to the schedule but you see that's dangerous thinking now what we're going to do is consider two examples of areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty with regard to that for example our view as with regard to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth now for many years what did we think we thought well that number would go down and down and down and down now i don't know about you but me i you when that report came out just how many how many partakers and and what were we thinking we probably you maybe we didn't say it but we were thinking you know the number will go down down down down and there'll be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward well i'm exaggerating but that was sort of the feeling wasn't it but now what have we seen in recent years those numbers have gone up and up and not only that younger brothers have been appointed on the governing body now i know what you're all thinking two new ones how old are they we know you're not googling now but you will be but you see we need to be careful about what we're thinking with regard to the number of anointed ones left on earth you see 19 years ago i was appointed on the governing body even i thought i was too young now they tell me i'm not so young anymore but do we see the point what does the bible actually tell us with regard to this well it doesn't say the number would just dwindle down to just having a few uh older ones left no the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with

DesirousOfChange

There simply CANNOT be and hour and 15 minutes of "highlights".

Why do so many ex-JWs stay faithful to the JW teaching method of "bore you to death for hours about what could be said in 10 minutes?"

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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.

these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.

these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.

DesirousOfChange

Armageddon isnt coming. - Beth Sarim

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What made you look behind the jw curtain?

by Touchofgrey in

i was listening to a lunchtime call in radio show about jws and the personal experiences of being disfellowshiped, and a former elder called in saying he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws and their involvement in the un in the 1990s ,and he just said look it up.. thinking that it was a made up lie ,so i looked it up and it was true even a letter confirming it from the un itself and that led me here and to jwfacts and further research into the history and teachings of jw and walked out the door about 5 years ago.

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DesirousOfChange

NOT ONE WATCHTOWER PROPHECY HAD EVER COME TRUE - BalaamsAss

That's a pretty bad record when you consider that even the time on a broken clock is true twice/day.

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What made you look behind the jw curtain?

by Touchofgrey in

i was listening to a lunchtime call in radio show about jws and the personal experiences of being disfellowshiped, and a former elder called in saying he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws and their involvement in the un in the 1990s ,and he just said look it up.. thinking that it was a made up lie ,so i looked it up and it was true even a letter confirming it from the un itself and that led me here and to jwfacts and further research into the history and teachings of jw and walked out the door about 5 years ago.

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DesirousOfChange

I really believed it all -- hook, line, & sinker, as they say. . . . Holy Spirit direction and all that. . . . until I experienced things that made no sense. An elder who had been carrying on an affair for 8 years, including the time when he was appointed "by HS". When a situation involving a prominent elder accused of embezzlement when before 2 COs, the DO, and the Service Dept and all accepted his deny deny deny strategy. (But I KNEW the facts.) Once again, the H.S. must have been asleep at the Chariot's wheel. An elder assigned the keynote talk at the convention, who had been having an affair with a gal from work and was planning to divorce his wife AFTER the convention because he believed the H.S. had obviously determined he was the BEST person to deliver the information at the convention.

Either the H.S. is easily fooled or. . . . . it's all bullshit. You can guess which option won that debate.

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Experiences After Leaving

by Freeatlast2024 in

i am writing to ask if anyone cares to share their experience and/or offer advice for people leaving.

i was raised in the religion, and both my parents died when i was very young.

i recently stopped associating because my conscience no longer allows me to preach or support the organization.

DesirousOfChange

Don't feel it is necessary to have them understand what you went through.

Because they can't!

Most people see JWs as just another small, "harmless" religious group and the only things they know about them is they (used to) wake them up on Saturday mornings, they don't believe in Jesus (all that D2D ministry and people are still confused) based on the fact they do not celebrate Christmas, and then some who read the news may be aware of the prohibition on blood transfusions, though more likely, they know of a JW who died refusing one. More than likely many of them think JWs refuse all medical care (confusing them with Christian Scientists).

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Serious sinner?

by Gorb in

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with the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.

- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.

writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.

DesirousOfChange

If we we missed a meeting it was noticed.

I recall meeting a prominent (because he is wealthy) elder while out shopping. He mentioned that he had heard I was missing meetings. I assured him I had not "missed" any of them!