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  Two Elders Came To My Door

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
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  well i guess wt is getting tired of waiting me out.

  two elders showed up at my door on halloween.

  they were not trick or treating, at least i think they were notat least they did not have candy bags.

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  Much has been made of the rights of religions to impose discipline on their members. However, it seems to me, that it is a violation of the 1st (?) amendment to punish someone for their public expressions of free speech, particulatly when those expressions are actually consistent with the published views of their religion, and only inconsistent with the method by which the religion's standards are enforced. Further, it surely violates the USA constitution to punish people for speeking freely about things that they did not agree to in the first place; Most JWs did not agree to obey the org. no matter what it would teach in the future.

  Threatening to sue the elders locally amd personally would probably work. Here is an interesting web site: marykenny.com

  Lionel Hartley
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  Could I have your thoughts???

  by mindfield in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more specifically, could you tell me your thoughts on verses such as:.

  matthew 24:14. and could anyone give me some factual stats on the fact that jw's dont actually preach worldwide, or at least aren't recognized worldwide???.

  and yes, i do need to be reassured!

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  Thirdson,

  But Jehovah is a reader of hearts. True, coverage is sparse in the countries you mention - but who knows the mind of God? Will not Jehovah himself examine the heart? And cleave the very marrow from the bone? Is the Creator, who even notices even a sparrow that falls to the ground, incapable of weighing the heart condition of those "sons of men" who, by reason of circumstance, fail to be reached by the good news in these last days of the last days? What blasphemy it would be to impute to our loving Creator such acts. Rest assured, in the "Day of our Lord" the righteous man will be spared, shadowed as in Egypt when the angel of death slaughtered only those who would interfere with the working out of Jehovah's purpose. How glad we can be that we can cleave to God's loyal organization amidst a world in turmoil and disarray.

  Lionel Hartley
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  Could I have your thoughts???

  by mindfield in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  more specifically, could you tell me your thoughts on verses such as:.

  matthew 24:14. and could anyone give me some factual stats on the fact that jw's dont actually preach worldwide, or at least aren't recognized worldwide???.

  and yes, i do need to be reassured!

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  fed up,

  Unfortunately for the WTS 1914 can be thoroughly debunked as being a date of any prophetic significance (see The Gentile Times Revisited). Is it Good News to pronounce the end on a number of occasions and it not to come? Actually, it is for the 99.999% of humanity who thereby escape destruction.

  Also, after the Good News has been preached, how long before the "then the end will come" kicks in? Face the facts (!) the Society can tell you anything; you'll be 69 yrs old and still hanging on to the "hope" unless you act now. In 2086 the Society will say, "the word "then" does not imply immediacy. After the signs have been fulfilled the scriptures mention a waiting period - a season of goodwill- during which those of good heart have time to reflect on all that has gone before. How loving of Jehovah not to condemn "men of goodwill" simply because they did not recognize the signs immediately. But, that time of goodwill will not be extended indefinitely. Now is not the time to be toying with Jesus' words and stretching out, in our own imperfect minds, this "season of goodwill." Some have used these words to pursue careers in this system, even moving to the Lunar Colony. But Jehovah is all seeing. Did he not say, though they reach up to the stars, from thence I shall pluck them down?"

  It is dead simple to make bullshit up, fed up;

  Forget this JW stuff - do as Tina suggests, go to University and actually learn how to do research for yourself. Once you do that you will have no further problems with elders. Or, you can go through life
  asking "but what if the elders were right..." It's up to you. You have the link to Osarsif's site. All you need to establish is whether the Society tells lies. If it does, it isn't the truth. Simple as that.

  Lionel Hartley

  ps: the next thing the elders will ask you is "who else uses Jehovah's name." Figure out what a circular argument is....

  pps: edited for reasons of melodramatic enhancement
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  Bumper stickers that will get you disfellowshipped

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just for fun tonight...bumper stickers i would love to see in j.w.

  parking lots:.

  jehovahs witnesses arent the only true religion on earth...we just act like it.

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  Librarians bring out the Wild Beast in me

  JWs get off on librarians with seven heads and ten horns

  Librarians make better hookers

  Bablyon the Bibliophile

  Get out of her my people! Unless you want to share in her overdue fees

  I'll do anything for a library card

  Honk if you love Paul Hoeffel

  There must be 666 ways to leave your UNlover

  The UN gives great heads

  I only did for the library card, Bro. Elder

  Revelation's Rodeo! Riding the beast for 10 years

  A Library Card too far

  What part of "No blood" do you understand?

  There's nothing like the smell of fire and sulphur in the morning

  Where two or three are gathered together in your name, Elder Molester will be elsewhere

  I brake for New Light or a Guardian article

  Why would you belong to a religion that lies to you?

  Sure you love Jesus, but do you love the organization?

  What part of "this generation" don't you understand?

  1914 years a Watchtower Slave

  Rewriting history for 126 years!

  If you can't fake the time, don't pioneer

  I never met a householder I didn't wish was out

  If you don't like these dates, we have other dates
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  Help me... please...

  by mindfield in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's funny how 2 hours can make you question the doubts you've had for months.

  just got home from the hall after speaking with an elder... had a friendly chat about my doubts... finally culminating in my admitting that i didn't believe the discreet slave really existed, and that all my jw beliefs were non-existent.

  2 hours.

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  fed up,

  Here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
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  Help me... please...

  by mindfield in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's funny how 2 hours can make you question the doubts you've had for months.

  just got home from the hall after speaking with an elder... had a friendly chat about my doubts... finally culminating in my admitting that i didn't believe the discreet slave really existed, and that all my jw beliefs were non-existent.

  2 hours.

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  fed up,

  Imagine you were about to board a plane and the people at the gate stated "there's a bomb on the plane, so the flight is cancelled." Would you rush up to the desk and say, "Hey, there are no other flights to LA today. Where else can I go? I insist that I be allowed to board and that the plane set off, bomb or no bomb."

  Who says that answers exist? In any event, lies are not answers. But, fed up, take it steady - can you go to college? If so, do that. Time is on your side not the WTS's - if necessary just nod when appropriate an do your own thing.

  Good luck, man.

  Lionel

  ps: you need a link to Osarsif's site, but i don't have it to hand. If no one supplies it, I'd suggest you post a new topic asking for the link. As in "Help - Need link to Osarsif's Site."
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  I just put my kitty down today - BW-A-A-A

  by Trotafox in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is this great big hole in my heart.

  he started acting poorly last wed. he stopped eating friday and went downhill steadily.

  i raced him to the vets.

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  Trot,

  It was worth it - what sort of a life would that little kitten 16 1/2 years ago have had without you?

  Lionel
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  WERE JW'S REALLY INVOLVED @GROUND ZERO?

  by crittersitter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my currently devout jw sis told me how "proud" she was of the bro's at the wtc and how they fed , and comforted all those ppl...this told at the meetings i suppose.

  or was this just spin?

  i think i read (was it here) that the doors of hq got locked up so outsiders could not come in..... did they really get involved" or was it enuff to make them look good?.

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  NYT,

  If the Society has done that then they deserve credit. However, a person's or an organization's true character is often exposed in the face of sudden and unexpected events. If what Seeker says is true, and there is no reason to think it isn't, then the reaction of the Society and its issuance of two different versions of the same press release (for public relations effect) is not only disgusting, but quite in line with expectations.

  How can an organization, whose literature portrays truly disgusting images of tall buildings being destroyed while overjoyed witnesses escape, have had any real sympathy for the plight of those exiting Manhattan and the WTC area? Obviously, Seeker's account shows that, as an organization, they didn't. Perhaps they considered the refugees from Mhttn to be nothing but the firstfruits of Armageddon.

  Lionel Hartley
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  New U.N. Slide presentation

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have made a simple slide presentation to educate the public about the watchtower's harlotry with the united nations.

  would a few of you mind checking it out and see if you notice any flaws?.

  recommendations?.

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  Lionel_P_Hartley

  Randy,

  On a quick look over it looks good. You say "joined the UN" when in fact they affiliated with the UN since only nations can join. Will look it over more carefully later.

  Thanks for your efforts,

  Lionel Hartley
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  Jehovah is sifting the organization

  by YoYoMama in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah keeps sifting and cleanning out the organization.

  this board is proof of that sifting work.

  congratulations on being cleansed out of jehovah's organization because of your inmoral and prideful lives.

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  YoYo,

  Perhaps - when one sifts it is what is sifted that is of value, not the scummy dross that is left behind.

  Lionel Hartley