Posts by Knowsnothing

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Why do I no longer get attacked and persecuted by the demons, since I left JW,s ?

by pedal power in

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most jw.s really believe that they ( as we once did ) are promoting gods will, but what if they really are ?

is it possible that god is supporting them even though they (governing body ) lie, because most jw,s are ignorant of the lies told on their behalf, ?.

when i was a jw i got attacked by the demons bigtime, but not now, and i can only assume that they (demons ) are happy that i am no longer a jw and are now leaving me alone, cant think of any other reason, has god ever supported a group who were similarly found wanting ?.

Knowsnothing

Apoligies for my non appearence, work to blame, thankyou for taking time to respond to the points I raised, in Math ch 4 Vs 3 thru 11, Jesus is in discussion with Satan, as I am sure most of us are aware of this and other biblical accounts, point to Satan and the demons being very real. I hope this is accepted as an established fact, although I accept that other mental illnesses, and some physical illnesses cause psychosis,I am not disputing that . However I cannot account for the lack of demonic persecution I used to experience on a fairly regular basis, when I was JW and as I reiterated, I wondered if this was because of the witnesses still being used by God inspite of thier many flaws ? is is feasable that just as grossly imperfect individuals were used in the past, that likewise JW,s could yet still be being used by God ? afterall for all thir flaws, they are not as bad as Manasseh, who at one point was Evil personofied, yet he still found favour with God and was restored, so why not the witnesses ? for all their faults could they yet be being used ?

You also mentioned earlier that you acknowledged you were a "shit witness" (Your words, not mine).

My honest opinion on this is that it doesn't matter whether your "in". Many people are "in", yet don't believe. Case in point, all the faders/undercover apostates you have here on the forum.

You also should consider that people get "attacked" by demons in other denominations/religions.

My real problem is with your statement "still being used by God". Poor non-JW christians. Can't they be used by God? Why are JW's the only purveyors of truth?

Anyways, if you truly believe this to be the case, that the cause is because you left, the question now is, would you go back even though you acknowledge to be a crappy witness(not really "into" it)? Would you be willing to face demon attacks again? Are you going back because of fear of Armaggedon?

And this is important, if fear is what is dominating your thinking, you're prone to make rash/irrational decisions. Such as going back to being a JW(which you don't believe) out of fear.

Edited to add: I agree with Violia's above statement. Let's refute the idea, not the person(ad-hominem).

This is an excellent thread to show that we can use just as many fallacys as the WT, which is not a fitting image.

And remember, we were all once in that frame of mindset, so please be curteous to our new-comers.

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Little Do Non-JWS know but that is God's plan: Destroy the governments and put jws in charge

by blondie in

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here is a tidbit from our convention here in amarillo .

this is not a. spoiler.

the item was included in our closing talk and related to the entire.

Knowsnothing

I never believe their anecdotal evidence.

Steve (not his real name) from North America (have fun tracking this guy down for verification) wasn't feeling well and almost didn't attend the meeting one night. It would have been the first one he'd missed in his life. But he thought to himself, "If I miss one spiritual meal God himself prepared and whispered into the ears of the Governing Body, it would make Jehovah cry." Quickly he prepared and left for the meeting. As he pulled onto the street outside his house, his apartment exploded because of a gas leak. You'll just have to take our word for it that this bullshit account actually happened and proves we must attend every single meeting. - Just about every Watchtower

btt for anyone that wants a good laugh.

Good one, WontLeave! This one's a gut buster!

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Is the Bible an idol?

by Nickolas in

there is one basic distinction i no longer share with those who adhere to one of the many abrahamic religions and that is the holiness of the bible.

it seems to be the common thread in the religious beliefs of half the planet (although muslims dismiss the bible as an "earlier revelation".

sort of like islamic new light taken to a much higher order).

Knowsnothing

That really all depends on who you ask. I think most modern JW's wouldn't hold it at that. In fact, they probably place more importance on their magazines...

Nickolas, anything can be made an idol. It's not fair to generalize and catalogue the Bible as such.

At the very least, even if it is a work of fiction, it certainly allows us to peer into the past. So as a historical book, it certainly has value.

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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder

by Intel in

i am now sitting at home.

my wife left with my little child.

my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.

Knowsnothing

Intel, if I may be so rude as to ask, are you the same intel from Beliefnet? If you don't wish to respond publicly, you may PM me.

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539 BC - How do they know that year is an "Absolute" date?

by Bungi Bill in

the watchtower society describes the year 539 bc variously as being an "absolute date", a "pivotal date"; and certainly one on which the chronology of the entire "hebrews scriptures" depends upon.

(some jw apologists have even described that year as being a "drop dead" date).

however, this date of 539 bc didn't just fall out of the sky and mysteriously land on our lap:.

Knowsnothing

Anything to further an agenda...

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Jesus Is Jehovah/Jehovah Is Jesus

by snowbird in

http://www.str.org/site/news2?page=newsarticle&id=5725.

i fought against this with all my wts-trained power, but truth prevailed.. any way you cut it, it comes out the same.. peace and strength in your search.. sylvia.

Knowsnothing

Godrulz, I've said it a couple of times with trinitarian apologists, and I'll say it again.

The trinity falls apart with the holy spirit. You knock down one aspect of the trinity, the rest crumbles.

You can't have a trinity without the three.

Maybe you can argue for a duality, but a trinity? Hardly.

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Is Rev 5:11-14 Worship or Obeisance?

by JCISGOD98 in

i asked a jw last week the following question, "is revelation 5:11-14 a worship act to the lamb or an act of obeisance?.

revelation 5:11-14 nwt states and i saw, and i heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: the lamb that was slaughtered is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.

because it's an act of worship and it is not allow in your kingdom hall.

Knowsnothing

Essan says:

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't the point of "was" in "In the beginning the Word was" the fact that "was" indicates that the Word was already there before "The Beginning"?

Yes.

So it's not, "In the beginning, the Word arose" or "In the beginning, the Word came to be".

Isn't this indicating that when the 'Beginning' came to be, when creation began, the Word was there already, indicating the Word has always existed?

The thing is, just because creation came into the picture, doesn't mean the Son always existed. Remember, Jesus is begotten and always subordinate to God.

Isn't that the point Godrulz is making, or am I missing something?

Probably, as most trinitarians argue, yet the arguement doesn't take into account the whole begetting of Jesus, doesn't it?

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I would like your input on this statement found in old "Zion's Day Star" advertisement. Is this true?

by AndersonsInfo in

"truth never changes, our views of it may change...".

can this argument be used by religions like watch tower that often change the slant of their doctrinal interpretations to justify the change?.

barbara.

Knowsnothing

It obviously can and has been used by the WT.

The problem then is, how can one attain an objective view of reality?

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just created a site www.jwfacts.com

by jwfacts in

i just put together a site that tries to logically show the witnesses are not the true religion.

just wondering how to get the information out to people that most need it.

also any ideas on how to get the site found by search engines.

Knowsnothing

@ jwfacts, thanks! Your site definitely helped me!

@ wontleave, I see you making your own site... great research!

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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)

by AnnOMaly in

i thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.

god's kingdom will soon come.

so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .

Knowsnothing

I haven't finished listening to the sound file yet, but so far three observations that really stick out:

1. The speaker oh so conveniently extrapolates tsunamis, earthquakes, and tornados (the tornados because they are fresh in people's memory and garner more of an emotional response) as fulfillments of the prophecy of the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse, in quintessential Watchtower fashion. Where in the hell is the connection between natural disasters and the horseman of Death in Revelation??? The scripture talks about death resulting from famine, war, and plague. There is not even the faintest suggestion within the scripture to indicate that it might refer to natural disasters. They're really grasping at straws here.

They've already been going on this "line of evidence" for a couple of years.

2. The first geriatric interviewee says that he thought the days of his youth were the last days, as if he were making a contrary-to-fact claim. The Watchtower still teaches that all years since 1914 comprise the "last days". Therefore, he unwittingly refuted Watchtower doctrine in front of thousands of attentive JW drones. His testimony was an actual admission to the fact that what he thought were the last days have since been found to have not really been the last days afterall! Shortly after this, the speaker tried to interject with another question, almost as if he were trying to redirect attention from the interviewee's comment.

HAHAHA. And yet, the public sits there in awe.

3. The second interviewee (the woman), commented that such terrible things were never seen in her generation. She clearly makes a distinction between the generation to which she belonged, and the generation of today. It's those pesky rules of semantics weaseling their way even into district convention interview parts! If only the rules of the English language didn't get in the way of the Governing Body's spirit-directed doctrine.

Oh, pesky English! What art thou evil machinations!