a recent post from a wol newbie:.
please, at least once anyway....it is soooooooooooooo worth it!
any of you visited bethel lately????.
Farkel LOLOLOL!!!! ROFL!! or should I say..RAAALF L
Im starting to feel like Pavlov's dogs...any mention about how WONDERFUL it is being in the Borg makes the bile rise automatically.
I remember the giddy euphoria when "ones" who served in Bethel came home or the MISSIONARIES came home for a visit or the CO would visit...people positively were orgasmic by it all. If ever there was a place that worshipped its OWN its the Borg. Who said there wasnt a JW Vatican and Pope??
...or did you shred the shit out of em so even the garbage man wouldnt become accidentally sucked into this cult like i did?
during the time i read crisis of conscience i went into a two week long rage.
i was angry all the time for being duped and i hated every witness on the planet, mostly for being as stupid as i was, and the upper echelon at the society...i just wanted to castrate them.
...Or did you shred the shit out of em so even the garbage man wouldnt become accidentally sucked into this cult like I did? During the time I read Crisis of Conscience I went into a two week long rage. I was angry ALL the time for being duped and I hated every Witness on the planet, mostly for being as stupid as I was, and the upper echelon at the Society...I just wanted to castrate them. What they were doing to people was spiritual ABUSE, and they were laughing all the way to the liquor store in their Lincolns at our expense. So...
I wrote my 9-page disassociation letter, then I gathered up ALL my literature and all the KID's literature, sat myself down on the living room floor, put on Oprah and SHREDDED IT ALL with my bare hands! I paid particular attention to my pleather-bound copy of the New World Translation with the gold leaf edges and my name embossed on it's shiny black cover with the Make Sure of All Things and Reasoning From The SCriptures books bound INTO IT. I did it a few pages at a time, whipped its lying pages into the air and watched it float to the carpet. Sacred writings? INSPIRED? Hell no. That book meant no more to me than an Amway Sales Guide. Thats all it was really, a SALES TOOL for selling the Watch Tower God.
Then I took all my kids TAPES of the Story Book and my husband's TAPES of the watch towers and Awakes and my TAPES of the books of the bible and my TAPES of talks and my TAPES of the dramas and those HORRIBLE tapes of the Kingdom Melodies by the Kingdom Orchestra (hurl!!!) and YANKED those suckas clear out of their plastic cases zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzip and took SCISSORS and cut them beyond recognition. I was NOT going to be responsible for someone finding those tapes and actually listening to that crap and being fooled by it.
Then I took with GREAT pleasure, my Revelation - Big Freakin Climax book...that we studied like a bazillion times to prove to us somehow that John had the Society in mind when he wrote the whole damn book...and I ripped it apart a page at a time. Disgusted at their arrogance.
Last to go...was my Live Forever Book...which was so studied and so worn that the pages were held in place by clips, glue and rubberbands, and had been the BEGINNING OF THE END for me. I took it outside, put it into a bucket and lit it. A sweet odor up to heaven indeed!
I was free to begin to heal. My soul soared...now that I was allowed to HAVE A SOUL again. I got in the car, and went out and bought a pack of cigarettes and smoked one...JUST BECAUSE I COULD!! Damn near choked...but I did it anyway. Then I went and bought some clearance Christmas tree ornaments in the freakin MIDDLE of Kmart...just because I COULD...and I dared anybody to tell me differently.
Am I OVER those 13 years as a Watch Tower Slave? No...and Im not REQUIRED to be "over" them or to "forget" them. I believe God gave me that experience because it made me stronger and it also made me useful to HIM on this side of it...to help free others. I think that is true of you guys too. The Society has lost their best and their brightest in us. Cheers!
xoxoxo
i remember, when i was but a lad, how a young sister of 15 was publicly reproved to the whole congregation for being sexually experienced.. a couple of years later, the same thing occurred with another young lady, who was forced to sob in front of everyone.. even then, with all my j-dub imprinting, i recall feeling outraged at the congregations treatment of these girls.
i felt that the way that they had been dealt with was far more intrusive and abusive than anything that they may have experienced in their first sexual forays.. i recall feeling very deeply that it was very wrong for a female to have to submit herself to the interrogations of 3 middle aged men, whilst she had to be alone in her guilt and misery as she endured their probing.. in later years, my ex-wife had to go through this experience.
ok, she was no shrinking violet, but again i felt most indignant on her behalf.. surely, this is not right?
I know I said this before, but the first JW I ever met in my life picked me up at a disco I was at with a girlfriend...and was my steady night time "date" for weeks, then months before I realized he was screwing or nearly screwing dozens of us. I was studying with his mother, and turned his butt in one day because he was starting in on my best friend. The elders had a field day interviewing dozens of women and dozens of this guys "inner circle" of JWs who were all doing the same types of things. Im 30 years old and undergoing this incredibly detailed interrogation of my sexual encounters by three or was it four? eager, blushing, winded elders. Only one of them apologized later...and he left the Org a few years later. The others were obviously having a very good time. Keeping their clipboards FIRMLY on their laps of course. They couldnt touch me tho as I was not baptized. I gave them a run for their dirty little minds tho. Worldly woman that I was, uninhibited and well...descriptive. :)Leaving no detail untold. I still could pick that brother out in a lineup if all I saw were um...members :)
i have a question about restrictions on df'd persons wanting to come back to the org.. i finally joined here on mar 26, after reading posts for about a month, with telling my story first.
what moved me to join in was reading ozzie's post on mar.23(i think), about "restrictions" regarding reproofs, probations, and df'ing.
i appreciated his comments and was so glad when he brought the subject up.
Why is it whenever an EXJW expresses things they are "angry" or "pissed" or "had a bad experience"??
LOL!! Such a typical JW answer. And obviously you know nothing about organizational procedures. When you are DFd it is on your publisher record. And...they know about it at Bethel, and...when you DIE they make note of that on your record at Bethel as well.
Gosh...how is it with all that NEW LIGHT around you you are still so in the dark? Thats ok..we all were.
Nice try tho. I dont know what congregation you work for...but nobody is INFORMED in the next congregation about molestors in their midst. Or havent you been keeping up with the news lately?
i remember at a book study the conductor saying something about ho simple everything was and that anyone of us could easily talk for a minute about our beliefs.. everybody froze of course and was hoping he wouldn't pick them.. no one could or wanted to do it even amongst each other !.
it's a sad indictment of the 'faith' isn't it.
i have a theory that 90% of jw's could not tell you what the current beliefs were.
LOL LD I see you have the title Master Member now...I suppose they have to use that as opposed to like Masterposter or Masterdebater eh?
"They're stumblin left and right Brother HandsOn, watch where you walk....and while yer at it, watch how you talk and....lala la la la aaaaaa"
oops
i have a question about restrictions on df'd persons wanting to come back to the org.. i finally joined here on mar 26, after reading posts for about a month, with telling my story first.
what moved me to join in was reading ozzie's post on mar.23(i think), about "restrictions" regarding reproofs, probations, and df'ing.
i appreciated his comments and was so glad when he brought the subject up.
It really takes guts to post on this board Humble. I give you that. However I do have some comments about what you said.
"The 'prodigal son' illustration was used by Jesus to show Jehovah's love for those that repent from their wrongdoings. He did not go into details on how the father handled the situation."
- Then how can anyone including the Society SPECULATE about how he handled things afterwards?? Do you read what you say? They could just have easily said what happened between the time Jesus was 12 and when he was 30 as say what happened after this banquet...and oh by the way. ITS AN ILLUSTRATION. You know..just like the ILLUSTRATION about the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" which the Society also somehow made into a literal group, like the 144,000 of Revelation.
"For example, what happened after the banquet? Where there any repercussions to the prodigal son's actions?"
- If the father forgave the son and welcomed him with open arms and had a party for him and then subsequently punished the guy when all the witnesses to his behavior at the party were gone home, that would only be INCREDIBLY hypocritical and werent you just saying this Father was Jehovah? Is Jehovah two faced? Again, why does the Society or you, assume that the son was subsequently punished and that his coming home and humbling himself to his father and being FORGIVEN BY HIS FATHER wasnt the END of it? If he was repentent...that IS the end of it. There would be no need to "prove" anything to anybody. If that were the case, he would NOT have been "forgiven" yet like the Society says...you cant be forgiven and reinstated until you "do time".
"One thing is for sure, it is a beautiful illustration of compassion and forgiveness from he Almighty, Jehovah."
Yes it does show jehovahs forgiveness which is immediate and the sin FORGOTTEN. It in no WAY comes CLOSE to the way the Society/Elders treat the sheep in actuality. Love does NOT keep account of the error. The society and the Judicial Committees are anything BUT forgiving and forgetting entities, and that person's "sin" follows them even to death as a Jw and is a permanent part of his record.
"Now, why are there restrictions after being reinstated?
First of all, it is true that the discipline is being disfellowshipped, but can the elders in the judicial committee read the persons' heart. Of course not, only Jehovah can do that. Anyone can cry and say that they have changed their ways. Restrictions allow elders to see the persons' true motives and these restrictions are lifted when the reinstated person asks for them to be lifted. Of course, this happens one at a time. The last restriction to be lifted is the priviledge of representing the congregation in prayer."
You just contradicted yourself. If the elders do not have the ability to determine a person's heart condition at the time of their "sentencing" what gives them that ability 10 days or 5 months or 4 years later to give him his "privilege" of being treated like a human being, back again? Answer: They dont. They dont EVER have the ability to give nor take anyone's status before God. The entire punishment is to make them a spectacle to others and humiliate them. Their relationship with God is neither proven nor disproven by their ability to fool people in the congregation...least of all the elders. The whole scene is a mockery of Jehovahs forgiveness.
"The final purpose of all these procedures is that the person that has sinned will have a clean conscience and be able to serve Jehovah with a clean record."
Again...that person's record in the congregation will never ever again be "clean" and no one will ever treat them the same. If they ever change congregations, their records follow them and they will once again have to "prove" themselves to the hypocrites there who dare to judge them. That person's conscience is CLEAN immediately upon his prayer of repentance to Jehovah. Not one single moment later. And that happens not when the SOCIETY decides it did..but when God and that person say it did. Are you going to tell me that you and the "friends" dont whisper about others and say "did you know Sister So-and-so was difellowshipped? She was only recently reinstated! Can you believe it?" If you say that doesnt happen...stop RIGHT there and check yourself.
The elders sit there like little Grand Poobahs with giant fuzzy animal hats, passing judgement on peoples LIVES like God himself came down and handed them the keys, destroying lives and families with the stroke of a pen and the wave of a hand and an announcement to the hall. POOF...one more life destroyed for, say...joining the YMCA.
"Gods" Organization indeed....if this is GODS organization, then David Koresh was indeed Jesus.
And oh by the way...you can be repentent and STILL be disfellowshipped becuase they HAVE to make an example of you so dont even go there. The more people that "know" about your "sin" the longer your sentence will be.
As for that party when the son returned...if this is an accurate illustration of how the SOCIETY does things, then why do they say absolutely NO PARTIES for those who are reinstated? Comical really... if it wasnt so sad. They have you by the short hairs.
i remember at a book study the conductor saying something about ho simple everything was and that anyone of us could easily talk for a minute about our beliefs.. everybody froze of course and was hoping he wouldn't pick them.. no one could or wanted to do it even amongst each other !.
it's a sad indictment of the 'faith' isn't it.
i have a theory that 90% of jw's could not tell you what the current beliefs were.
Java...well I tell you what buster...if you dont BEG me for a Bible study right here and now, I will walk away, stomping your lousy dust off my Kmart shoes, put a giant "GOAT" next to your name on the Book of Life (which...by the way is kept in the lobby at Bethel and is constantly updated for losers like you who didnt listen) and I will walk down the street claiming your house as MINE MINE MINE after the birds eat your sorry bearded carcass like a french fry in the McDonalds parking lot. So there.
i remember at a book study the conductor saying something about ho simple everything was and that anyone of us could easily talk for a minute about our beliefs.. everybody froze of course and was hoping he wouldn't pick them.. no one could or wanted to do it even amongst each other !.
it's a sad indictment of the 'faith' isn't it.
i have a theory that 90% of jw's could not tell you what the current beliefs were.
What do JWs believe? Gawd thats simple.
"WE'RE right YOU'RE wrong, WE'RE big YOU'RE small, WE'RE smart YOU'RE not, WE'RE sheep YOU'RE goats, God loves US better than YOU, WE'RE gonna live in Paradise Earth and have it alllll to ourselves and YOU'RE gonna die a gruesome, horrible, bloody, DESERVED DEATH when Jehovah GETS you for not listening to US! Nyaaaa nyaa nya nyaaa nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa pththtthhtththtthttttttttttt"
i seem to remember reading somewhere that the tie is a phallic symbol.
can anybody shed any light on that.
if this is so it should go the way of beards, birthdays, the cross, rock music, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Pretty much anything that is, or has the ability to become, stiff, can be construed as a phallic symbol I believe. So after a few egg breakfasts, your tie, too, can become a phallic symbol I honestly can say I have never had tielaccio. If you have self image problems regarding your own tie, perhaps you can look into tie implants?
a bozo calling itself "shiningone" recently posted on the h2o board some typically bad arguments supposedly defending the bible.
i posted a rebuttal to a number of specific points, which is reproduced below.
guess what the response was.. those familiar with jw teaching will recognize some of the bad defensive arguments.. <hr>.
"My question to Witnesses at my door is always the same, "If your Governing Body is really being used by God, then why don't they have their own canon? Why do they use the canon given to them by the 'Mother' of the Bible, the 'apostate' Catholic Church?"
But I think I'm going way over their heads.
BlueSapphire"
Honey yer talking to people who think the word BULLETIN BOARD is Satanic because of its Papal Bull origins LOL!! They have no clue what you are talking about. That blank look you are getting in return is exactly what it is...totally blank.
Lights are on but nobody's home.
[;P]
