Australia Hillary! MG's are very popular here. Hubby has another one now. An MGA. Thankfully it's not red though. I know what they say about (old) men and their cars. LOL!
Guess you must be about our vintage?
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Memories of Duncan - Part 2 - The Tables Turn
by hillary_step innot long after a fifteen year old duncan had outraged his teachers and surprised his peers by leaving behind a promising academic career to regular pioneer and wash windows, a telegraph pole wearing green pants knocked at my door.
as i was expecting a visit from the local constabulary, for reasons noted below; the pole was a pleasant surprise.
the pole was a actually a jw, the plainest and longest man i had ever seen, with a mighty grin capable of felling empires and, i was to discover, also the possessor of a formidable intellect.
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Memories of Duncan - Part 2 - The Tables Turn
by hillary_step innot long after a fifteen year old duncan had outraged his teachers and surprised his peers by leaving behind a promising academic career to regular pioneer and wash windows, a telegraph pole wearing green pants knocked at my door.
as i was expecting a visit from the local constabulary, for reasons noted below; the pole was a pleasant surprise.
the pole was a actually a jw, the plainest and longest man i had ever seen, with a mighty grin capable of felling empires and, i was to discover, also the possessor of a formidable intellect.
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:::::::::::his creative soul, to an Adventist empire of staplers and a sterile, manicured mysticism.
Can't you speak simple English for us mere mortals who skipped a proper education for the Troof!
Don't worry I got the gist of it. The most interesting aspect is how you so easily wandered into 'it'. I shouldn't be surprised coz I was very, very good at helping people like you to see the light in the early 70's. I was still a teenager then, and I talked my boyfriend into joining. I talked my two brothers into joining. All three had old MG sports cars, which of course had to go! I talked my girl friend who lived next door, and another girl @ work into 'it'. We were all in our prime and either about to or had started university educations. Which were all cancelled of course, except for my boyfriends - who's very large mother, literally begged him to finish! (thank god for very large begging mothers!).
Oh dear............ and I get to live with the guilt of all those people I "helped" being still in. Whilst the boyfriend (now husband) and I have lived the life of Riely for the last 20 yrs.
F***!
Marilyn
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The mormons vs the jw?
by Nicolas ini saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.
they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.
do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?
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I've been emailing a Mormon for a year now and tho she initially told me that she didn't want to convert me, she's recently backed right off, since she realised that I am not a soft target. I personally couldn't see a lot of difference in the way she operated and the way the dubs do. She put a lot of energy and effort in initially and expected results. When they didn'thappen to her time frame, she backed off. She sent a book of Mormon and tapes - half way across the world. :-(
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When To Stop Being X ?????
by ladonna inwhen is it time to stop being an xjw, or an x anything?
when is it time to stop being on xjw forums?
when is it time to just live?.
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Ana, I was an exjw for 14 yrs before I got onto exjw sites on the net (1996). I believe I'd got on with my life pretty well in that time. The thing that stops one getting truly on with one's life is the constant reminder of their families who won't talk to them. I had a lot of dub crap to deal with during those 14 yrs and I did it without any support from anyone (cept hubby).
I've been quite active over the last few days - but I do tend to come and go a lot. I don't need this place, but I enjoy meeting others who have been thru this stuff. I enjoy the intellectual and spiritual discussions and hearing about people's feelings.
I thought a cult set down rules of who you could spend time with and what your routine should be. I dont find any of that here. This is simply an open discussion with a lot of different points of view. It's a club not a cult. The joining fee is a bit steep, but I've paid it and I want my money back (if only!!!). Failing that I'll hang around when and where I so choose because I do what suits me now and i don't answer to anyone. (cept my bloody kids!!!)
Finally, there are a lot of new people just leaving the Org. Who will comfort them and reasure them that there is life after the Org,? AND finally, finally, it "pleasures me" to know how much we irritate the folk at Brooklyn!!! :-)
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struggling & need feedback
by wildeflower ini am 32 years old, have been disfellowshipped since age 17. was born & raised in the "truth.
" my father was and still is an elder.. without going into the gory, painful details: i have kept in somewhat contact with my parents in the last 15 years (i can't believe it's been that long!
) by calling them and popping over to their house, etc.
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Dear Rachelle, I haven't read all the responses but I have experienced 20 years of being disfed in a JW family. I think you have to ask yourself what you are trying to achieve?
I completely understand your sense of rejection, but don't be too quick to condemn your parents. You don't know for sure how they are feeling. If you read Duncan's post yesterday about role playing, you might appreciate that they are doing the JW role play thing re you. But that doesn't mean they aren't suffering a lot inside. Especially your father. I too am very close to my father. He's been so distraut at times about not being able to see me that it's put him in hospital.
Of course you want some kind of closure - and I'm sorry to say that you won't get it. A letter, no matter how brilliant, will not give you closure. All it will do is give you the satisfaction of getting the last word in. If they read the words they won't see them or get what you are saying. All it will do is further cement their position to shun you. They will see your letter as filthy apostate lies from Satan. I see a letter as playing right into the WT's hands. It is my belief that you must find a way to live peacefully with things as they are. I can tell you that I'm a very "do it yesterday" kinda person, but boy have I learnt patience with my parents!!!!!!!!!!
This is my advice. If you want to write them a letter then write a letter telling them how much you love them. Thank them for all they have done for you and tell them how sorry you are that they can't love you the way you are. Tell them that even though you are not of their religious mind set that you will try to live your life in a way that will make them proud. Tell them that you will always be there for them, and will wait patiently until they need you. Tell them the love you feel for them is so deep that you forgive them their treatment of you and that you hope that one day they can be themselves and enjoy their daughter like parents people do.
I guess basically I'm advocating a final effort at penetrating the JW armour and attempting to get them in touch with their natural insincts.
My parents may never have been as devout as yours - though they did try for many years to accommodate the WT's rules. They tried many times to 'cut me off'. The good news is that they've given up. They've come to realise that I'm their most loving child, and that I am more supportive, communactive and generous and sensible than their 3 JW children. I think they have come to realise that it's not the truth. But they don't say anything, they just shut up and pretend and put up with the 'marking' treatment they receive from the congregation - for seeing me. Unfortunately, if your parents do weaken over you, they will be treated very shabily by the "friends", so they are somewhat caught between a rock and a hard place.
This is one raw deal - but I always tell myself that other people have raw deals - with awful things happening to them. This is just my lot in life. Keep your chin up and try to make the best of it with your new life. I hope your marriage fulfils you and brings you the joy you deserve.
Marilyn
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Top 10 count down why dubs go to the Kingdom Hall
by William Penwell inhere's my top ten reasons why jw's attend kingdomhall!!!
whats your top ten??
can anyone add to my list?.
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1. It's easier than making up feasable excuses to brother busybody who calls coicidentally after each missed meeting.
2. To witness first hand the hypocrisy of certain elders; do as I say not as I do.
3. To get use out of knee length skirts in wardrobe.
4. To get giggles at frightful verbal mistakes made by the more humble ones.
5. To get aching butt.
6. To hear how many different ways the same old, same old can be presented.
7. So they won't die at Armeggedon.
8. To illustrate (doodle) over small piece of paper found in book bag.
9. To encourage new ones into the same pattern of misery as them.
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My visit to the Hall Last Night- Highlights
by TR inblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.
monotone, monotone, monotone,.
monotone, monotone.. you were right, moxy.
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Geez, I've been outa the Troof so long that I'm even falling behind with my Steven King reading. What's Rose Red like?
TR, you are a better man than I. (don't let details like the fact that I'm a woman interfer!!!) There is NO WAY I could sit thru a meeting. I can't read more than about two sentences of a WT without wanting to puke.
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My visit to the Hall Last Night- Highlights
by TR inblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.
monotone, monotone, monotone,.
monotone, monotone.. you were right, moxy.
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I musta missed this, but why did you go? My last meeting was in December 1979. Was it Jaded that said they used to be interesting then? Cripes what must they be like now???? The mind boggles.
Marilyn
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Memories of Duncan - Part 1
by hillary_step init was a surprise and delight for me to find duncan posting to this board.. our relationship goes back further than either of us would care to admit, right back to the days that were.. we both attended one of the most respected schools in our english town.
a school which produced reams of achievers like a combine-harvester of the soul.
it sowed the embryonic seeds of a major uk politician, world class musicians, in the classics and out, and a particularly amusing mimic who went on to write comedy scripts for some of the uks most popular shows.. i was not a jw at the time.
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:::::::::::then went on to mystify us all with the news that Duncan was leaving school to become a window washer and to work full time for his ‘Jehovah’ religion. He was barely fifteen. A few students tittered, one particularly dim-witted lad cried out ‘What’s a Jehovah?’, but most of us fell silent.
I'm not familiar with your posts Hillary. This one is an excellent introduction. I'm in awe of Duncan - not so much for his way with words as his perception. But where was it all those years ago? All you bright young men.... At least I was as dumb as all get out. What was your excuse?
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Role Play among the Dubs
by Duncan indear all, .
this is my 100th post, and i decided to repost something i originally did as a post on h2o a couple of years ago.
it was a reply to somebody, and buried miles-deep in the thread, so hopefully it wont have been read by too many already.
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Duncan, You sound like my husband. He loves an audience. Not sure how much the Ministry School helped him though. I imagine the university education did more!
btw it wasn't Monty python it was Fawlty towers Herbert was referring to. And it was "two doctors"! Remember the Shrink episode?
I'm still excited by reading your post again. You said: """That’s why it’s so hard getting them out, I guess. How can you find a way to say to them – “look, stop this play-acting and just be yourself and listen for yourself for a moment!” """
One can't help feeling that this might work over arguing doctrine. The other thing I've often thought is that it's as if Witnesses want/need permission to get off the treadmill. I think they've all pondered leaving at one time. When I left in 1979 I told my dear friend whom I'd converted :-( that I didn't really believe it any more. And she said: I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. Yet she's still in to this day. Why did she say that? I should have stopped right then and there and told her it was ok for her to leave too. :-(
marilyn