Posts by Maximus

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"Sharing" a piece of myself - part 3

by Tallyman in

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if you don't want to read the small text, i've made an identical webpage.

to the print appearing below @.

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/sharing3.html.

Grieving

by lookingnow22 in

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i have grieved over many deaths in my short life, but now i am grieving over what i once believed.

i'm past the anger now, so here comes the denial, and then the guilt.

does anybody have one of those "men in black" memory eraser pen flashing dealies?

You are indeed suffering a loss. By understanding that you are grieving just like when death comes to a family member, you've gone light years ahead of many of us who held in the grief, self-medicated with alcohol, attempted suicide (some succeeded), wallowing in self-pity. Many have wandered in agony.

Take your time grieving, but do pay attention to the good thoughts expressed here. Enjoy the sunshine and the outdoors; connect with nature and the universe. Have quiet times; meditate with a candle or nothing, in a forest or at home. Listen to great music, from classic to rock. Pay renewed attention to your body and its needs. And read, read, read, read. Anything and everything. Learning who you really are will be the best journey of your life.

For many, the pendulum swings violently toward agnoticism. Challenge what the Society has told you about what other religious teach about the Bible and throw aside the presuppositions. You do not have to choose between a narrow fundamentalism or atheism.

Start connecting with people again--the stranger at the coffee shop, whoever. Most of us have been so isolated we just don't know how to behave; we feel so awkward. But all that changes, it gets better. You'll get better. And life will be richer than you could have ever imagined.

All the best,
Maximus

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Dissfellowshiped Watchtower

by cornish in

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as it was considered back in 1995 that due to not holding to the society's view of the literal generation of 1914,i had disasociated myself,now all jehovah,s witnesses dont believe this anymore,are they all appostate for rejecting this important truth,that i had apparently sinned so much in rejecting?????????

?

Maximus

Should you write them that you were correct and that the "faithful slave" was wrong, you will be told in so many words that you were wrong in principle (if correct in fact) and that you obviously were "running ahead." "He that runs ahead ..." That means you had a bad attitude at the very least and deserved your self-imposed shunning.

Problem is, they did not DF you, you DA'd yourself. To rectify this you would have to do make amends for a period of time. If you were to repent of this bad attitude, acknowledging that you were wrong (how Orwellian can you get?), you could go to your local elders and confess, pledging to remain in line. They are trained to ask you questions about other teachings, and can probe as much as they want.

You are in a long line of persons who have seen the light before it grudgingly flashed from the temple. That's a problem for high-control organizations who just cannot tolerate that kind of individual thinking.

A warm welcome from this motley group. Browse around, pick the best and leave the rest.

Maximus

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Org. Re-orging in JAPAN

by JWD in

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for those of you who haven`t been following it,the wts is in a downward spiral here in japan.fs hours are down,memorial attendance.

is down,pioneers are down,studies are down,donations are down,number.

of congregations is down and the number of publishers continues to.

Maximus

::Do you mean to tell me that it isn`t the same all over the world?
Is it possible that they made one specifically for Japan?

One of the problems the Society has to deal with is its change from an older policy of universality. In the U.S., state law dictated how sex offenders were dealt with in "official" reporting, which practice is coming back to haunt them.

I have no personal knowledge about this specific form, but I'm reasonably sure you will find that "adjustments" were made to make things more palatable locally, especially in view of Human and Universal Rights issues. Like the Bulgarian problem, which also will continue to bite them. Data Protection is another problem. Keep your eye on these areas.

Please let me express my warm appreciation for your considerable insight into Japan. I've learned a lot that I did not previously, from old friends there who spouted the party line.

In a conversation shortly before his death, Nathan Knorr told me that he was sure of one thing. And that this started with him years ago in Cedar Point: Advertise, Advertise, Advertise. He then expressed enormous pride in Lloyd Barry and what he had done with Japan, as the flagship model for the rest of the world. The old boy must be turning over in his grave. Whoever was on the desk in the old President's now Executive Office must have caught hell bigtime over the first negative indications there.

Maximus

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Unsubstantiated rumour

by philo in

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repost.. about 1997 i was told (on the quiet) by an ex-district overseer with bethel contacts, that there had just been a meeting of district overseers at london bethel.

the theme of the meeting was post armageddon communications, no less.

if communications were knocked out, they would have to be quickly re-established or else the wts would lose control of the surviving skeleton population.

Maximus

Been to lots of meetings with DOs and COs. Mmmm, this one's off the charts.

We used to call it "cracking up." Happens all the time. Englishman might describe it as "going 'round the bend."

Maximus

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Is there any JW's on here?

by Devilman in

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iam trying to work out how many of u are proper witnesses?

Maximus

Waiting: Just for you, a portrait of JB

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Get a life - stop posting. Why?

by philo in

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newbies and others are often saying, "move on", in other words, get a life, remove yourselves from the influence of wtism completely.

there are many good answers to this, but i think there is one answer, which has not been much considered.

the international 'apostate' world, to which we contribute, has mushroomed in the last 10 years in: numbers, public profile, influence on the wts policies (and in jws awareness), and in all areas of knowledge about the wt.

Maximus

A side note:

What used to astonish me is that AlanF has singlehandely gotten more people OUT of the organization than most missionaries get IN. That's a fact. (I know names ...)

It was, of course, Alan who got me started with an an occasional look-in, and then posting. In a telephone conversation he asked me to check out some clown who was pretending to be one of the governing body on H20. (Didn't take long to figure out this was a huge farce.) Don't know what irritated me worst, the idiocy of some posters or the S-L-O-W downloads and bugs at H20. Grew to understand the familial nature of it all.

Alan, don't you ever go to bed?

M

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Blood Transfusion Alternative Video Receives Award

by jschwehm in

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the jw media site just posted the following press release.. the video that the link talks about is it a video produced by the society?.

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http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=010613.htm

Maximus

::We all know that in order for their "tricycle" to go down the sidewalk, they need the medical and science back wheels to properly run with their bible front wheel.

Years ago, I had opportunity to read the Society's internal documents reflecting what happened during their abrupt change on vaccination. In this situation too, they attempted to buttress their case against the evils of vaccination with so-called scientific evidence. The patterns are still there.

Since this is a "Bible-based" spiritual issue, I'll not post stuff on physiology today or the physical glaring errors in their presentation. Let me just ask this question,

HOW CAN YOU SYMBOLICALLY SHOW RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF LIFE,
BY LITERALLY LETTING A CHILD BLEED TO DEATH?

The tricycle is in the ditch.

Once more they trot out the old "us versus them" psychology. "True Christians" are faithful, while "ungodly scientists," substitute cardiovascular surgeons or the like, want to rob you of your faith. (Funny. I thought it was one word, UngodlyScience, growing up, much like children of the Deep South who thought it DamnYankee.)

Does it never cross the mind of any JW that not one religion, not one religious scholar, not one physiologist, agrees with their interpretation of "abstain ... from blood"? The weirdest of the weirdest fundamental group has not come to that conclusion, not even Branch Davidians.

Maximus

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Just trying out my paasword

by voltaire in

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i'm just trying out the new password.

i rarely post to chat rooms.

i couldn't log on.

Maximus

Guess it worked.

Welcome, voltaire.
Loved your namesake's line, "Why is it that God always seems to fight on the side of the strongest army?"

M

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Mickey Spillane update

by Gopher in

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83-year-old author mickey spillane continues to profess to be a jehovah's witness.

does anybody find this a bit intriguing?

his fiction (including that of detective "mike hammer") has been a staple of american culture for decades.. here's the key quote from the article.

Maximus

Waiting:

Ah, yes. Murrells Inlet. At the circuit assemblies Spillane would pad around in white tennis shoes, sporting his crew-cut, which was a big-time No No back then. And the Hawaiian shirt did drive the natives wild, but he got away with it, having friends in high places.

Love your posts, babes. I'd say you've come a long way since the aw-shucks days, but that sounds so damned condescending--I don't mean it that way. I'm just delighted to see you continue to blossom in your personhood.

As to Micky, JT has it right on. Betcha the quote actully was "not phony. They believe everything they say."
Smile ...
M