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  The Recovery Process Of Leaving The Watchtower

  by Bangalore in

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  the recovery process of leaving the watchtower.. http://www.jwfiles.com/wt_professional_look_at_jws/recovery.htm.

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  Chariklo

  Thanks for posting this, Bangalore.

  Many of you may think that as I never actually became a JW I couldn't possibly know, and of course my experience doesn't include many years or even being born as a JW. Really, only a comparatively short time of almost 2 years, preceded by a longer period of softening up. But it got to within days...

  So I haven't experienced a disfellowshipping process, but I have experienced much, much too recently the totally unexpected, out-of-the-blue cross-examination and systematic psychological shredding that a authoritative elders' visit can produce. That gave me the complete cold shower and, thank goodness, the sharp, strident wake-up call that has saved me at the last minute.

  Coming back onto this site has been just one thing that's helped. You might think, why do I need help after so short a time in it? Because, incredibly, you might think, those of you who remember me coming here for a few months back in the early summer, since a couple "rescued" me from the situation caused by one sister's behaviour, I had thrown myself totally into the life and activities of the congregation, and seemed to have made new friends. Since many of my old friends had been so stunned or concerned at what I'd done they'd faded away, and the whole pattern of my life had changed.

  There is no way I am ever going back into a Kingdoom Hall, but I was so shocked and troubled by some of the things said that I too have experienced some of the symptoms listed on that page. Two good long conversations in the last day or so, one with two really good old friends, and one with another less well-known friend but one skilled in exactly this kind of recovery, have helped me somewhat.

  I can add to the helpful links, as a resource these two pages on parts of the process. That elders' visit lleft me traumatised. These pages might seem to some extreme, in the circumstances, but actually even I have experienced some of these effects to a degree.

  http://www.livestrong.com/article/109892-dissociative-symptoms-acute-stress-disorder/

  http://www.isst-d.org/education/faq-trauma.htm

  I'm still working through it all. The JW induction process seems to me to break people down psychologically. I think that process must lie behind many of the "The Bible Changes Lives" stories in the Watchtower.

  Perfectly normal-looking people living perfectly normal lives are made to loathe and reject their former selves, friends, hobbies, perhaps families all for this group of smug self-satisfied deluded preachers.

  Am I being too harsh? I'm still pretty angry at what happened to me.
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  listen and learn. the near future of britain and europe...

  by varian in

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  ...one of the best speeches on this subject i ve ever heard.

  the reality of islam is a trojan horse.... http://www.mrctv.org/videos/paul-weston-speaks-nyc-feb-23-2012.

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  Chariklo

  Now, Varian, exactly what do you see as the near future of Britain and Europe?
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  Many Car marques are astrological/pagan/sex connection therefore JW must abandon them or walk

  by mP in

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  2. beliefs

  heres something i love to tell jw which nearly always stuns them.. nobody would buy a car called the satan, or if its logo was phallic, or was named after baal, but the facts are nearly all three of these are present in a vast majority of todays cars.

  as one can examine there are a lot of things present that a good xians should avoid.

  in many cases there are puns on names, but still.. toyota.

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  Ford Zodiac. They're just brazen!
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  who has taken blood particles

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

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  with the conscience decision to take particles, i have know recent cases of blood not being taken, i wouldn't really know if that wastheir decision or that simply the hospital only has whole blood.

  i would like to know if blood particles is an option in the real world..

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  The local CO has been encouraging the taking of fractions, saying that the more spiritual you become the more you understand so that what was previously refused can now be accepted. (Work that one out.)

  At the same time, of course, as talling the sheep it's entirely their own personal private decision.

  Bless.
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  If one were to shun and ignore Witnesses does that make one just as bad as them?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  for all the criticism of jehovah's witnesses' shunning policy, if one (an ex jw) were to deliberately avoid contact with witnesses and, dare i say, shun them, does that mean that one is just as bad?.

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  Chariklo

  We have the freedom to shun anyone we choose. It is sometime essential, for our own safety.

  Exactly, leavingwt. I'm currently screening all phone calls, for instance. Sheer common sense self-protection, till I feel strong enough to tell them just where to go.
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  Things that happen vs Things that DON'T........*happen

  by Terry in

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  let's keep it really simple.

  that way we won't get confused.. things happen.. what can we say about things that happen?.

  things that happen are possible!.

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  Chariklo

  Oh yes. You have it right, Terry.

  Alternatively, truth v fraud.
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  Davy Jones dead at 66

  by undercover in

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  sure, the monkees were a pre-fabricated band, but their influence was still immeasurable.

  especially mike nesmith.. .

  rip davy.... .

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  Chariklo

  This will tell a lot about me, but I remember when they began. We loved them! Really, really loved them.

  I used to be able to sing each song word perfect, and looked forward to each new episode.

  Very, very sad. Poor guy.

  Anyone else remember Mickey Dolenz as Circus Boy?
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  Elders want to pay a visit

  by varian in

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  i had a phone call recently.

  two elders want to come round.. now i ve been out for approx.

  8 years.

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  Do not meet with 2 elders alone...they have 2 witnesses to what is s aid and you only have your word against theirs. I have heard s tories from elders on how they trapped someone into incriminating themselves. They even use this tactic on other elders. After 8 years, love has not sent them to your door.

  That's exactly how I feel. As I reflect on how I was bullied last week, I know what I want to say, though I also know that these two men can and will twist whatever I say. So, two against one, no chance whatsoever, they can subsquently say whatever they like.And they come in love...NOT.
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  Which do you think is the most pernicious teaching of the JW's?

  by Chariklo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i turn things over in my mind, one jw lie stands out.. that god doesn't listen to all prayers.

  unless i have it wrong, and i don't think i do, jw's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to.

  in other words, god looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.. the jehovah god of the wt is petty and mean-minded.

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  You could be right there, Simon. <deep sigh>
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  "Awake" 1973 says Witnesses should not play CHESS it's EVIL!!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  awake 73 march 22 p.12 "the spirit of competition between players can lead to unplesant circumstances...in some homes tensions linger long past checkmate...chess has been a game of war since it originated...the games conection to war is obvious....a play substitue for the art of war...there is a danger of stirring uo competition with one another even developing hostility with one another something the bible warns against....what effect does playing chess have on one?

  is it a wholesome effect?

  ....there are questions regarding it that each one who plays chess should consider.".

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  I do remember how video games were condemned when they first came out. Space Invaders was viewed as violent.

  Still the case in the local congregation here. Not just once, but many times in the brief time I've been attending, elders and others have railed against video games, computer games, games of any sort really. And that's alongside soap operas, films of all sorts...I mean, come on, we all KNOW that Harry Potter was spawned by You Know Who, don't we?