i don't think the elders should count any partaker who is not a member of their congregation.
If the elders count all attendees , whether they are in the territory of the congregation or not, then they should also count all partakers.
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I don't think the WT is being honest with this number. The truth is that the elders are who decide to whom to report or not as a partaker. They strive to keep the number as low as possible. When my wife and I participated last time came out rumors that we wouldn't be counted because We didnt even attend to the meetings'.
So I think that the number of partakers is much higher than that.
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Revelation written to the 1st century churches
by maccauk11 inim suggesting revelation was not for us today but to the seven churches in minor asia.
they 1st centruy faithful ones were waiting for the promised return of messiah, like he promised them.
he did in fact return on the lcouds to take them to heaven.
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Erick Erickson commentary: December 25th...
by wolfman85 inhttp://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/editorials/2013/12/25/dec--25-was-picked-as-birthday-of-jesus-for-christian-reasons.html.
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header adchoices erick erickson commentary: dec. 25 was picked as birthday of jesus for christian reasons /subscribe-dispatchwednesday december 25, 2013 6:08 am.
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Erick Erickson commentary: Dec. 25 was picked as birthday of Jesus for Christian reasons
Wednesday December 25, 2013 6:08 AM
One of the most popular theories and commonly taught explanations for why Christmas is on Dec. 25 is that the early church placed Christian holidays at times of Roman celebration to co-opt the local pagan festivals.
Christians placed Christmas on Dec. 25 to co-opt Saturnalia, the mid-winter festival, or possibly the Festival of the Unconquered Sun — Sol Invictus. The theory went that Christians could get the heathen to convert by co-opting their holidays.
There is one problem — it sounds more convincing than it is. These theories did not start growing until the 12th century and became popular only once comparative religion became trendy, after the 18th century. Going back to the earliest Christian church finds evidence that Christmas, though not initially celebrated, had starting being commemorated well before the Feast of the Unconquered Sun’s creation for entirely Christian reasons.
In Egypt, less than 300 years after Christ’s death, some Christians celebrated his birth in the spring. As the Biblical Archeology Society has noted, the earliest references to Christmas come at about 200 A.D., at a time Christians were not incorporating other religious traditions into their own. By 300 A.D., many Christians were celebrating his birth around Dec. 25. Within 100 years, Christmas was on the calendar record. Christians looked to December because the early church was far more interested in Jesus’ death. His death and resurrection is what matters to the Gospel, and that was the date the early church focused on.
“Around 200 A.D., Tertullian of Carthage reported the calculation that the 14th of Nisan in the year Jesus died was the equivalent to March 25 in the Roman calendar,” said Andrew McGowan last year at the Biblical Archaeology Society. That would be the day of Crucifixion. The math from there is rather simple. Nine months later would be Dec. 25. Early church history held as fact that the prophets and martyrs of the church were conceived on the day they died. So if Christ died on March 25, it was also the anniversary of his conception.
Separately, and more directly from the Bible, Luke 1 tells us Zacharias, John the Baptist’s father, was in the priestly division of Abijah. Based on a calculation of this and the division of priest in the temple in 70 A.D. when the temple fell, a number of early church historians presumed Zacharias would have been in the temple in early October. Later historians, however, speculate it would have been June. The Gospel of Luke tells us when Zacharias left the temple, his wife conceived. “In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David,” Luke 1:25-26 notes.
Six months after Zacharias left the temple would be March as Mary’s time of conception. Fast forward nine months and again we find ourselves in December. With the very earliest Church fathers settling on March 25 as Christ’s death and believing fully that Christ’s death would occur on the anniversary of his conception, the early church reinforced its belief well before there is any written accusation or evidence of the church incorporating Saturnalia or Sol Invictus into its celebrations. It is important to note, however, that most scholars reject setting Christ’s birth to Zacharias’s temple service because of problems related to really knowing when he was there.
But there are three final points. One can look at all of this and conclude the church fathers got it wrong. But the real question is whether they themselves thought they got it wrong. They were pretty sure they were right. The earliest Christians refused to celebrate birthdays, but by 300 A.D., there was growing evidence the church had noted Christ’s birthday around Dec. 25.
Second, some of the earliest traditions of the early church held that Christ was born on what would be a Wednesday. This year, we too celebrate Christ’s birth on a Wednesday.
Finally, the date of Christ’s birth is not important. What is important is that he is.
Erick Erickson is the editor in chief of RedState.com.
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Jehovah is King! New Light or muck up in 15/01/14 WT?
by wizzstick inso the new jan wt article on "100 years of kingdom rulehow does it affect you?
" is up, which i think has its own thread.
but over on jwr poster cg4205 has noticed something that demands a seperate thread i think.. at the top of the article, in the can you answer box, it says:.
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It is a familiar motif in Scripture. The Org. didn't pluck this one from thin air.
(1 Chronicles 16:31) . . .Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be joyful, And let them say among the nations, ‘Jehovah himself has become king!’
(Psalm 97:1, 2) . . .Jehovah himself has become king! Let the earth be joyful. Let the many islands rejoice. Clouds and thick gloom are all around him; Righteousness and judgment are the established place of his throne.
(Isaiah 24:23) . . .And the full moon has become abashed, and the glowing [sun] has become ashamed, for Jehovah of armies has become king in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem and in front of his elderly men with glory.
(Revelation 11:16-18) . . .And the twenty-four elders who were seated before God upon their thrones fell upon their faces and worshiped God, saying: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”
The problem that I found with these texts is the phrase "has become". Is this phrase an addition of the NWT??
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YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR LIES!
by The Searcher inthe following examples only serve to illustrate that when you assume total control over what people are told to believe, then be prepared to be exposed and ridiculed as liars, charlatans, and offspring of vipers when your perverted teachings crumble when held up to the real bible truth!
"now may the god of peace, who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an everlasting covenant, our lord jesus.
" (hebrews 13:20) "and i will conclude with them a covenant of peace; an indefinitely lasting covenant.
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WHAT DOES THE GB REALLY TEACH? - it-1 p. 524 - "Likewise, the new covenant will come to its end when all the anointed ones are resurrected to heavenly immortal life.
Apparently the jw.org online library changed the declaration of the Insight book . Below is what I found.
"The purpose of the new covenant requires that it continue in operation until all of the “Israel of God” are resurrected to immortality in the heavens". ( it-1 p. 524 )
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Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)
by slimboyfat inafter some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
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Ignorance is a BLISS!!!
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"Growing to perfection"
by DS211 inok i know ive been starting threads like a maniac but heres one.
where in the heck d they get the "when we survive armageddon we will probably have to start rebuilding while we resurrect ones, teach them, plant food, clean the planet, and grow to perfection"????
doesnt the scripture say that we die corrupted but raised an incorruptible body?
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Luc 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
I wonder , Is Christ here talking about two groups , those who are raised from the dead and those who are worthy at that time ? If so, then ALL will be like angels, the found worthy , and the resurrected. Both groups will be like angels, not only the resurrected. Read carefully the v .35.
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Kingdom Hall in Chile has National flag!!
by wolfman85 inin the spanish website extj one forum user shows evidence that on the 18th and 19th of september in chile the government calls to honor the nation displaying the national flag everywhere.
failure to do so is liable to a fine.
you can see the photos here: http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?23799-celebracion-de-la-patria-y-la-doble-moral-de-los-tjs-auspiciado-por-la-watch-tower/page2.
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Outlaw, you are so funny!! LOL!!
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Kingdom Hall in Chile has National flag!!
by wolfman85 inin the spanish website extj one forum user shows evidence that on the 18th and 19th of september in chile the government calls to honor the nation displaying the national flag everywhere.
failure to do so is liable to a fine.
you can see the photos here: http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?23799-celebracion-de-la-patria-y-la-doble-moral-de-los-tjs-auspiciado-por-la-watch-tower/page2.
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The Chilean Flag – Serious Business on September 18
Hector Gutierrez September 17, 2012
The Chilean Flag – Serious Business on September 18 Your Rating
September 18 is upon us once again – a time of celebration, fervent patriotic pride, dancing, and a lot of barbeques.
One of the more colorful effects of the celebration is the appearance of the Chilean flag everywhere you look. Chilean flags and Chilean branded merchandising can be found on every street corner and every traffic stop.
The flag is a sensitive issue for Chileans. It is displayed anywhere Chile appears around the world, especially for sporting matches, and people feel connected. Patriotic sentiments are at an all-time high during independence day celebrations.
However, there is a serious side to the raising of the flag.All buildings, houses government installations, and industrial sites must, by law, raise the Chilean flag on this solemn date. Legislation about this issue is so serious that police can issue you a fine for not displaying the national flag or displaying it incorrectly.
Raising the Chilean flag has complicated legal implications. Photo: Hector Gutierrez
The legislation dates back to 1967 and fines can reach CL$73,000 – not an insignificant amount of money. There are instructions been communicated by the media as to how the national flag must be displayed. These instructions include, “The flag must be displayed on the extreme tip of the mast”, “The mast must be white”, and “The flag may be displayed horizontally”.
Just last year, President Piñera passed a new law allowing the use of the national flag at any time during the year. Previously, it was an offence to fly the national flag, except in government offices, outside the September 18 celebrations.
We have not met anyone who has been fined for putting up the national flag when they were not supposed to, or for not putting it up when they were supposed to. As it stands, it is still an old wives’ tale as to whether or not you will be fined by the Chilean police force.
Either way, avoid the risk and buy yourself a flag. They are CL$1,000 on the street, and then you can legally be allowed to celebrate. Our American brothers do it, so why not give it a try?
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