Posts by Mum

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The real reason for the push to get children baptized.......

by EndofMysteries in

i think the real reason is that many when they are in their teens and able to start thinking for themselves end up leaving by the time they get out of home, never baptized, and still continuing assocation with their family.

the wt doesn't like this loophole, so they are hoping to get them baptised before their teen years so that if they wake up and decide to leave, they will be dfed.

hoping to keep them trapped and be trapped before they understand the religion.

Mum

Sometimes I think they just want to DF everybody, shut down the org, and split the money they've taken in and go to Singapore. The baptism of unwitting children can only strengthen the possibility of working out this scenario. The Shakers disbanded, and all of the property they owned fell into the hands of a few.

If there were no borg, there would be no more pedophile lawsuits, no more tedious, mind-numbing meetings to prepare for, no more literature to publish, and no preposterous efforts to convert the world. No work and instant money must be a great temptation to the bigwigs in New York. I can't help wondering about their real motives. All of the cracking down on inactive and DA'd and DF'd ones is not encouraging staying with the borg, but should drive people away.

They are engaging in self-sabotage, and one must wonder why.

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For what it's worth, this is my take on the AGM

by stillin in

as i was leaving the kh where i watched the meeting, i overheard several conversations, all to the effect that"what a great bunch of guys the gb is.

" the sense of humor among them, the naturalness and ease they had while speaking, etc.. for that matter, i too, was impressed at how like able they seem to be and, believe it or not, the 3 1/2 hours went by fairly quickly, thank god!

but as i think about it, i'm concluding that that was the main goal of the wide viewing of this event: to assure the rank and file that the gb, the men who are in charge of god's household, are a great bunch of guys.

Mum

I have dealt with narcissists in the past, one of them being a parent. They are the most suave and charming people imaginable if it serves their purpose. All of my cousins think my narcissistic parent was a saint! In fact, he was a pedophile manipulator master ass-kisser.

When people are too suave and charming, it raises a red flag and a loud alarm in my head. These guys have instructed the flock to obey them, even if it's against their better judgment. The poor, deluded flock are being charmed into doing just that. Scary!

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Beginning of Electronic Assemblies?

by Fading Begins in

do you think this could have been an experiment to see how smoothly these events can be processed, and what the reaction is from the rank and file?

it would sure save a lot of money if events like this could replace at least the one day circuit assemblies.

there has to be some recognition that the "flock" is becoming weary and they don't have the funds to be travelling to these events.

Mum

Oh, my! This could lead to electronic shunning (which, apparently, exists already to some degree)!

How will disfellowshipped people be relegated to "the back of the bus" status?

What about "associating?" Hebrews 10:25, I think.

Can Kool Aid be prepared in cyberspace?

How will they spy on one another?

Will there be cyber JC meetings?

So many things to work out!

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A major change in the new song book I initially overlooked

by slimboyfat in

it occurred to me the other day that i am beginning to forget the tunes to all the old kingdom songs i once knew by heart.

so i have started recording myself singing a few of my favourites from the old song book and uploading them to youtube.

and it struck me as i was singing them how many of the old songs have a military theme running through them, with references to warfare, soldiers, weapons and so on.

Mum

"It had a savage, barking rhythm that could not exactly be called music." - George Orwell, 1984

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Audio of Candace Conti and Bill Bowen at the RNA 2013 conference

by cedars in

the audio file is 1 hour 28 minutes in total.

the first hour is the panel speaking, and the remaining 28 minutes is the questions from journalists.. here is the link.... http://192.185.44.220/media/13austin/podcast/06%20precon_%20the%20continuing%20story%20pf%20clergy%20abuse%20beyond%20roman%20catholics.mp3.

candace conti in particular did an amazing job, and the comments from the journalists show how appreciative they were of her bravery in speaking out on such a personal issue.. bill was also informative with some of the firsthand accounts he was able to give.. .

Mum

Phizzy, I'm not a legal expert, but I thought that if a person were subpoenaed to appear in court, and failed to appear, that a bench warrant would be issued, that person would be held in contempt, and subject to arrest and jail time. I don't think appearing is optional if one is served with a subpoena.

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Lying to children

by jwfacts in

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zac's first tooth just fell out, and so people are telling him that the tooth fairy will come with money.

zac asked me if the tooth fairy is real.

i am at a loss as to what to say.

Mum

Personally, I was not brought up as a JW in my earliest years. The tooth fairy came. So did Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. It did me no harm (I think). It never occurred to me to question their existence, simple-minded and credulous as I was. (Another "fairy" visited my sister upon request. Sometimes that "fairy" gave her my stuff. I didn't say a word, because I was already not the favorite, and didn't want to make it worse.)

In the fourth grade, our teacher told us that Santa Claus wasn't real. I told my younger sister. She's still angry with me that I told her.

Telling kids the truth is a very subjective, troublesome conundrum. My son-in-law was asked by my granddaughter when she was very young, if it was wrong to tell a lie. He tried to explain why it is sometimes hurtful to tell the whole truth (e.g., if someone is stalking someone, and the stalker asks if you've seen that person), and lived to regret it.

Once I was listening to Dr. Laura on the radio. A guy called in and said he, as the tooth fairy, mistakenly left a $20.00 bill under his son's pillow. He needed most of the money back, but didn't know how to ask for it. Dr. Laura advised him to get a gold pen and get someone with nice handwriting to write a note to the boy from the tooth fairy explaining that the tooth fairy had made a mistake and needed most of the money back for other kids who lost teeth.

No one can answer this question for you, I'm sorry to say. It's a judgment call.

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Why do you think they changed their mind on organ transplants?

by Separation of Powers in

from 1967 to early 1980, the watchtower stated that organ transplants were tantamount to "cannibalism.

" then, suddenly, the position was changed to organ transplants being a "conscience matter.

" so, my question, why the change?

Mum

I agree that it was more likely a pragmatic decision rather than deep Biblical research that precipitated the flip-flop in doctrine. Every oppressive person or organization has rules to fit its own agenda. The rules are usually more stringent for the "little people" such as women, non-pioneers, non-elders and such.

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needs of the circuit

by hoser in

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the circuit overseer ranted on and on today about how parents aren't policing the internet at home good enough.

i guess the kids and teens are on line too much unsupervised and getting into trouble..

Mum

So, the internet poses at least a double threat -- learning something academically AND apostate websites! Oooooooh! Demons in the computer! Burn it!

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Don't Question. Don't Think. Just Obey!

by Oubliette in

some of the rhetoric in recent wt magazines got me thinking, it would be useful to have a somewhat comprehensive list of quotes showing the wtbts's incessasant control-freakery and their irrational--and apparently growing--paranoia.

i was thinking it would be good to have a variety of both longer and shorter, older as well as more recent quotes that prove the pattern and history of their manipulative mantra of: don't question.

just obey!.

Mum

I saw a documentary yesterday about a woman who had escaped from the fundamentals LDS/Mormon church. Unquestioning obedience was Warren Jeffs' mantra, too. The women suffer terribly. I feel so sorry for the little girls getting molested. This woman, the very last time she spoke with Warren Jeffs, was told, "I will break you."

She and her sister were key witnesses in Jeffs' trial. She wore red at the trials of Jeffs, a color Jeffs forbade her to wear when she was an "insider." She was such a courageous woman!

He expected to live as a God, having sex with 12-year-olds the rest of his life. Instead, hes in prison for life. Although I loathe the man, I feel badly that he grew up as the son of "the Prophet" and, as a result, saw this god-like existence as his birthright. In a way, he was led down the garden path, too.

I'm still glad he's locked away and can't hurt any more children.

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Feeling Sick

by FreeGirl2006 in

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just found out my 12 year old niece got baptized on saturday.

that is the same age i got baptized....as we all know it just should not be allowed.

if a child is not mature enough in other areas of life how can they be mature enough to commit their lives to the borg?

Mum

It will probably bring heartache to her. But, look on the bright side. It's a joke! It's stupid and hilarious (easy for me to say since it's not my relative) Hopefully, a few years from now, the two of you will look back on this episode laughing!