obviously i'm having ex cult issues, family still in and a wife that's all kokoo for cocopuffs as well as our marriage isn't good.
i would like to leave her, she has never been the kind of wife i wanted.
anyway the stress is getting to be to much, thinking about things all the time and its effecting my work as well as otherthings.
In my case, they do more harm than good. I prefer alcohol and oblivion. The only time I've ever been depressed were times when others were controlling me. Once I got control back, I was fine.
Therefore, I do not believe all depression is organic. Situations can trigger depression. My best perspective would be to examine what is bothering you and change it.
it does no good for the governing body to burry their heads up their ass in denial as to what people who have left are saying about them and their insane selfserving teachings.
i know denial is a real bitch to deal with and i'm sure this bunch of over the hill gang will have a hard time doing google searches and they are probably not sure where to look but they oughta get some one to show them how to find all this information, this willful ignorance is really hurting them, and reality can come crashing in more horrible ways the longer the denial exist and is hiding valuable information you really need before you proceed to make better decisions for your company and the direction you want it to go..
joel and DOC: I read on some ex-JW discussion board years ago that there is a special room at Bethel where people sit all day and monitor sites such as this one. I don't know whether that's true, but, given their mindset about "enemies," I can see why they would. They need our input.
I don't think they care what they're saying. If all the R&F leave, they'll be left with enough money to buy their own country if they want to. They exude that sense of entitlement that only the wealthy possess. The Shakers are a defunct religion that made a few hangers-on very wealthy.
A plague on all their houses!
people like robin williams can make you laugh.
we might think that they have it all but we really know nothing about their demons, their problems, their issues.
someone might be funny on the outside but be totally depressed from within..
Richard Cory
by Edward Arlington Robertson
Whenever Richard Cory went downtown,
We on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean-favored and imperially slim.
And he was always quietly arrayed,
And was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good morning," and he glittered when he walked.
And he was rich -- yes, richer than a king,
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything,
To make us wish that we were in his place.
And so on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one warm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.
hi i have to go to one of these soon.
i find it difficult enough to sit through a meeting knowing what i now know.
how to survive a whole three days???!!!
wifibandit: Love that "Bingo" card. Did you create it yourself? Genius!
last month, my best friend of four years and boyfriend of six months came home from a jehovah's witness convention.
he'd been acting strangely the entire weekend and i knew something was wrong.
i initiated a discussion and he said, "essentially our relationship is wrong and i'm not supposed to be with you.
It's hard when you're heartbroken, but, down the road, it could have been even harder. For example, if your child got invited to a birthday party of a school friend, he probably would forbid the child from going. Much worse than that, if your child had an illness or accident and needed a life-saving blood transfusion, he would be required to refuse that medical treatment.
People who don't know the lengths JW's go to in order to remain on the good side of some narcissistic old men in New York get a lot of surprises when getting involved with a member of the Watchtower cult.
Count yourself lucky, grieve, and move on to a happy, fulfilling life instead of the stultifying life of a JW.
Best wishes for a happy future.
some of you might remember my first post on here about my dilemma of whether or not to remain in a relationship with my jw girlfriend after learning ttatt http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/278710/1/im-new-and-need-help#.u-kltpldvyq.
while we were taking a break, well it turned out to be not very much of a break because of our still strong feeling for each other (we eventually went from talking every few weeks to once a week and then to everyday again) and things started to get complicated.
well last night we officially decided that it would be best for the both of us to at least part ways for now and end things.
I'm sorry for what you're going through, but you have spared her and yourself and any children you might have had untold suffering. It's much better to split up before you have children.
Best wishes for a happy future.
rick mclean gets only 15 minutes of fame.... no mention of how the watchtower protects pedophiles.... http://www.themasonictrowel.com/books/the_hidden_powe_behind_freemasonry/files/chapter_19.htm.
They did a good psychological profile of McLean. I agree that the program was about capturing a criminal, not about wacky religious cover-ups.
What I wonder is whether the featured victim and her family are still JW's. They were awfully honest and direct, and said nothing to protect the image of the borg.
good morning brothers and sisters, remember to watch john walsh interview our brothers and sisters about brother mclean from oregon, the most wanted pedophile and top ten fbi's list of perps!
have a nice day, be cool!.
can you help bump this topic until the show is over, we have large amounts of vistors coming, seeking help and direction.
I watched the entire program. I am wondering if the family featured as victims are still JW's because they were so direct about McLean's being dangerous and evil, although I don't think they used those exact words.
Oddly enough, McLean, upon being confronted by a victim, admitted his guilt in front of his wife, the victim and the victim's family. Amazing!
at one time most of us here identified as jws who follow the wbts gb/fds who claim to follow the bible etc.
some of us are journeying to a new identity, others may feel they already have a new identity.. although we likely have gone in many different directions, we share a common past which only ex-members can really understand and explain.
please could we each respectfully share and celebrate our unique perspectives of where we have come from, and where we each are now at on this journey?.
losingit: I didn't set out to tell my life story, but, apparently, I almost did. I have been told that I should write a book. Maybe I'll do that someday.
Life's a tragedy and a comedy, eh?
at one time most of us here identified as jws who follow the wbts gb/fds who claim to follow the bible etc.
some of us are journeying to a new identity, others may feel they already have a new identity.. although we likely have gone in many different directions, we share a common past which only ex-members can really understand and explain.
please could we each respectfully share and celebrate our unique perspectives of where we have come from, and where we each are now at on this journey?.
Pre-JW: Shy little girl with a physical deformity, loved by my grandparents and my teachers, earnest, maudlin, empathetic, did well in school and had a few close friends. Both grandfathers were uneducated country preachers.
Becoming a JW: Dad's boss came to our house about 3-4 years every week for "Bible study." Ignorant hillbilly ("Appalachian American," to be politically correct) self was quite impressed by them and their ability to quote scripture. I idealized them and wanted to be like them. When my dad got a Civil Service job, he stopped the study. Rare association with JW's for about 3-4 years. At age 15, parents decide to go to nearby Baptist church. Jack Van Impe comes to do a "revival," and spends a lot of time warning about Jehovah's Witnesses. My undeveloped teenage brain then saw JW's as the "underdog" and wondered why this rich evangelist felt so threatened by them. Much of his "information" was inaccurate as well, so I thought he was lying. Decided to look into JW religion further. Ironically, Jack Van Impe was the real catalyst for my conversion the the Watchtower "faith."
Being a JW: I started out as a maverick of sorts, in that I became a JW while no one else in my family did. I was lonely, but tried to make the best of the situation. I still hung out with a "worldly" friend from high school, as the JW kids I had previously hung out with were mostly married or moved away. Eventually, I married an elder and moved to another state. Life with him started out unhappily. I actually got ill the first week of our marriage - unheard of! Little by little, I adjusted to my new life, as I had a slavish temperament and had always been very obedient, trying to stay out of trouble. I almost never watched TV, so my husband would come home and turn on the TV because, as I later figured out, TV was where he got ALL information he knew outside the Watchtower system.
In 1972, I had a daughter, and she changed my perspective on the world. I started asking myself if I wanted her to have the kind of life I had. I came to realize she would probably do just as I was doing, and I was creating a doormat life pattern for her. I decided to take some classes at the local university. I was forbidden to do so. I asked family members to borrow money to take two classes. They agreed. There was a fight about it every day. Elders derided me, asking if I planned to "teach English in the New Order" and such nonsense. 1975 had come and gone by this time, and I was waking up to the reality that I might actually live to get old in this world, despite constantly being reminded that Armageddon was just over the next hill, so to speak. I realized that I had become an uptight, mean-spirited person, so unlike the sweet little girl everybody liked.
One day my cousin stopped by to visit. I advised him of my unhappiness and my struggles. I told him I was going to take a year and see if anything changed; if not, I was leaving. He told me I could stay with him until I got on my feet. Well, nothing changed, of course. So I left, aided and abetted by an ex-JW friend and a friend who was still a JW, but was open-minded and saw my unhappiness.
Post-JW:: It was a struggle at first. I re-entered the job marked. Fortunately, there were lots of jobs in the town where my cousin lived. I earned little money, but knew from my wonderful grandmother how to survive on very little.
My friend who helped me get away left the JW's shortly after I did. I went to visit her, and she introduced me to her classmate in graduate school. He and I got married. He was a total contrast to my first husband. He was well educated, thanks to parents who heavily emphasized education. He was in the top one percent of the smartest people I had ever met. He wanted me to finish my degree, so he supported me while I returned to college and graduated! Unfortunately, he had a serious drinking problem that escalated over the years, and it became unbearable to live with him, and we got a divorce.
I am now open to new ideas and am excited about life and its possibilities at any age. I no longer hang back and can talk to almost anyone about almost anything. I have learned to value freedom and opportunity.
I am 66 years old, am studying Chinese, and have a goal of going to China to teach English. More growth and adventure ahead!
