please can someone shed light on the claim that when the bible was originaly written it had the name jehovah in it over 7000 times but it was changed because of superstition?
how do you dispute it?
exactly where did they get that crazy version of their bible anyway?
Sue,
Per Alan, the name wasn't in the NT/Greek Scriptures(tm) as Larc pointed out. My brother discovered (during the family home Bible study) some comment in the foreward of the Kingdom Interlinear that the name wasn't originally included, but WTS added because they felt it should be there. Can anybody verify this or quote such, if present?
Mustang
who needs a copy of the purple book
please can someone shed light on the claim that when the bible was originaly written it had the name jehovah in it over 7000 times but it was changed because of superstition?
how do you dispute it?
exactly where did they get that crazy version of their bible anyway?
LO, Alan,
Yes, on the LXX/Septuagint. I am reading daily from a Samuel Bagster Interlinear LXX, circa 1851. It's a new reprint, as Bagster is still in business. So far, its all ho Theos & Kyrios.
Haven't started on the Kohler's NIV Interlinear Hebrew yet.
Mustang
who is brushing up on his Greek
maybe some of you are familiar with the study guid that the j.w's brought to me.
its called "what does god really require of us?
" in chaper 2 they mention graven images.
Susan,
As Larc said, they are rote-instructed, BIGTIME. Each congreagation has a TMS (Theocratic Ministry School) and Service Meeting. Both teach door-door warfare techniques and practice sermons of the sort you encountered. Indeed, they are formidable until they meet a new twist on some subject. Somebody said there were 100,000+ congreagations; I'm not sure. The WTS once stated that they had the largest school on earth. That might indeed be the case, in a certain view of things, considering the number of congreagations.
Mustang
maybe some of you are familiar with the study guid that the j.w's brought to me.
its called "what does god really require of us?
" in chaper 2 they mention graven images.
Susan/Ruffian,
I agree w/ Larc, that you handled it well. Quite well, indeed. Larc's synopsis of the situation is also quite correct and is very succinct. They are Bible-thumping robots.
You are safe to keep seeing them, at that rate, if you so choose. Many don't have such debate/argument skills or the proper arguments available. They get sucked in to the traps of Dub-dom. Others, such as myself, were 'born into' the mess and over-exposed.
If you ever find yourself being the 'moth drawn too close to the flame', pull this discussion out and repeat it!!!
BTW, welcome to the board. Your clear thinking under fire is refreshing.
Mustang
any one here get that sinking feeling when you were an active jw?
i'm not talking about the point where we developed doubts about the borg, but just the shear weight of responsibility on your shoulders to uphold "god's kingdom" ala wts.. the topic of doing all you can was brought up frequently.
some would try to sooth by saying "as long as you're doing your best, jehovah will accept you.
"no meetings, no field service, no guilt"
Danny Bear
I feel a tee-shirt coming on.
Mustang
no more pioneer, no guilt
as you may know, i will laugh at you if you confuse:.
hear and here.
too and to.. i will also, laugh at syntax errors.
I decided to avoid ordering the shIrmp last time I was in the Chinese restaurant.
Mustang
who has some Chinese family also
waiting for arnaghedon?
well here is a web site just for you!!
it keeps you updated with the lastest news on the big a!!
the ARMAGEDDON NEWS NETWORK!!!
surely you jest???
I guess not. I noticed that the news links took in any and all of the current headlines: devastating, miniscule or whatever. Reminds me of my father. The dubs made him a 'news junkie', that had to have 4 or 5 daily fixes of news to catch the latest 'applies to prophecy' flash headline.
Mustang
Shaking Head class
i read a couple of books on cults.
they all claim that cults use sleep deprivation to burn their members out, to make them more vulnerable to mind control.. lots of jehovahs witnesses are janitors, working nights and go out in service during the days.
it seems to be the case here in canada and if i recall it correctly from your posts it is so in the usa too.. i was just wondering if jws were encouraged by the watchtower to bee janitors.
For those of you in other countries, the U.S. Army ran quite a few years worth of TV/poster ad's with the slogan 'Be All That You can Be'.
Actually, it could be a good deal. They would give you a sporting chance of getting a good MOS (Military Occupational Specialty), where you might get some decent training.
You could get shot, of course. Yeah, OK, so the Recruiter didn't live up to his promises, either.
So, get out and take them up on the G.I. Bill for school. And if you did a 2nd hitch, they pretty much had to do some of it your way, plus pay a re-enlistment bonus, plus school afterwards.
While not recommending the Army, you have to notice that they got one thing right: do the best you can for yourself and you will do other things better, too. They learned to dish out the incentives.
I think that I remember hearing Knorr espouse the virtue's of being a short-order cook. That was in Yankee Stadium, sometime in the 50's/early 60's.
Note that you couldn't go for the max and be a REAL CHEF. You had to settle for second best. Its always 2nd best (or worse) with these ad-visors. There is always this mistrust or jealousy of your making some decision for yourself.
Well, the whole thing is a false economy. Here is the poor, under-skilled brother slaving long hours, maybe including a second job. So, he probably does everything half-rate: family, job1, job2 and JW duties.
There is also the fear of a person becoming prideful in their making achievements and headway as an individual.
The real truth is that the pressures of living always become JOB#1, no matter what. If the individual is prepared to do the best they can, and develop as an individual, a better class of drone may follow. Balance could be stressed to round out the package.
All-in-all, instead of a well-rounded individual (who might be better at the ministry) you end up with the cheaply packaged product of a scrooge or skinflint.
Mustang
hi humble: i saw an exchange between you and billygoat on another thread.
amnong the jws that post here, i do find you more rational and honest to exchange thoughts ... but, your last comment to billy made me a little curious:.
you said, billygoat: you are right that "bad associations spoil useful habits.
To Humble:
QUOTE:
Obviously, the Society will not object to my job.
END QUOTE
Don't be so sure. I have some experience with congregations that bor-der government installations. There has always been a stigma or even open pressure against 'working civil service' on those sites. When you see designators like 'such & such Support Organization' on the government supplied Motor Pool vehicles for maintenance workers, it is quite obvious that your work would support Caesar. I have more than once seen situations of reproof over this.
Also, many have been told not to do painting or such for churches or church related/owned operations. I recollect many yearbook experiences of people concerned with their employment being appropriate or not. For every one of those experiences, I recall somebody I know being visited over the fitness of their employment.
Funny story, on the side:
Once I was starting a new contracting job for a major CATV (Cable Tele-vision Scrambler/Descrambler's) manufacturer. I had my accountant over to help me set up new billing software. She was accompanied by her husband, who was a devout Fundamentalist preacher. While she and I were modifying the computer programs, her husband came in and noticed the books in my library. A few minutes later, he returned and proposed that my Christian conscience should not allow me to work on anything related to the Television industry. After a few minutes of discussion, I found that he had worked for a major military radio supplier without any real qualms. He retired to the living room (TV off) to read his Bible. After they left, I discovered the TV was not working. He had yanked the TV's 'F' connectors off their cables and I had to rework the coax cable. Sour grapes, I guess.
So, religious types (of all sorts) ARE PICKY ABOUT YOUR EMPLOYMENT.
You have stated a very bad assumption, probably based on private ideas that maybe harbored.
Mustang
i read a couple of books on cults.
they all claim that cults use sleep deprivation to burn their members out, to make them more vulnerable to mind control.. lots of jehovahs witnesses are janitors, working nights and go out in service during the days.
it seems to be the case here in canada and if i recall it correctly from your posts it is so in the usa too.. i was just wondering if jws were encouraged by the watchtower to bee janitors.
Ah, the blessed night shift. That's how I pulled off the best part of my drift-away plan. A brother came over to me at work and asked about my next TMS part, as I hadn't been to a few meetings. 'Well,
bro. ---, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. I need the extra money and I'll be starting nights on the 1st of the month. I guess the TMS school will be a little hard to make. Thanks.'
Night shift could be a mixed blessing, though. Shortly before that, and having newly arrived in town, (also part of the drift-away plan) I was doing JANITOR (night shift, what else) work w/ some brother who was a pioneer. He also wasn't carrying a full load upstairs. He kept telling me how wonderful this job was. All I could see was the next mile of floor to buffer, looking over his shoulder. Having been exposed to technical work, and having the proper training, I took the next job that came up and said INTERESTING!!!
Since work is about a third of one's life (8 hour/day part of most of every week), I thought about the fact that it should carry one's interest, or things would be really unenjoyable. I never gave serious thought at any time in my life to ending it. But at that moment, in that hallway, I realized that there could be something worse than death (or hellfire): LIFETIME DOOMED TO WASHING, WAXING AND BUFFING FLOORS!!!
Mustang
'Be all that you can be' leaves WTS motto's in the dust
