Posts by Dunedain

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Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

by Lynnie in

my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

Dunedain

Indeed, I can personally attest to seeing firsthand the "Witness royalty", the "inner circles", and smugness that can and does come with it.

I was born and raised into one of the more, if not most, financially "well off" congregations in NYC. 20 minutes outside of Brooklyn Bethel. There were many Bethelites that were sent off, and distributed to the many congregations within the 5 boroughs of NYC. The "higher ups" would fight and die to try to get the "privilege" of being assigned to my old congregation.

They knew they were going to get nice "green" handshakes, and flourished with gifts, and such. The ex prez, and GB member, Henschel was actually at my, now ex wifes, bridal shower. My wealthy, ex MIL would stuff his, and other GBs pockets so much, that they would keep sniffing around for more and more.

I seen firsthand the Elders, and their wives, that had money, and who they thought they were. How they snobbed around, and cliqued together. I sat at the Head tables at Bethel, and saw how whatever, crusty old GB member that was present for that days morning worship, was OOOHHH and AAAAHHH to death. He would have his younger, by sometimes decades, wife sitting next to him, like a perfect little princess, as he spooned all his food up into a giant glob of mush.

The jokes on all of them, though. They are rulers of an empire of dirt. Of fake smiles, and faked emotions. Rulers of the superficial, and keepers of phony subjects. Most of the more wealthier elders, and their families, from my old congregation, are burnt out now, and many even left the Borg. The congregation, which at one time, was bursting at the seams with people, has now been combined with 2 other congregations, due to lack of publishers.

The crusty old, hacks at Bethel, have mostly died, and withered away, penniless and forgotten. These "elite inner circles" change, and fade, and then new ones take their place, but its all the same old phonies. All pretending they have the answers, and hold the keys, but they are polishing the brass on a sinking ship, and trust me, they go home miserable, most nights.

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Freak out over a magic 8 ball toy

by charity7 in

just had a jw freak out over some magic 8 balls that i have.

next thing you know i turn my head and it was thrown into a box to get rid of it.

is it because it has the word magic in it?

Dunedain

No, not cause of the word magic. Its because JWs are psychotic, brain washed, people, who are scared of anything they don't understand, or are told to be scared off, by other brain washed, simple minded humans.

If a plastic ball, with some words you shake around, that's made in china by factory workers paid $3 dollars a day, could really "possess" us, and cause us to be blinded by Satan, we are in trouble.

Literally EVERYTHING is from Satans "world", these days. EVERYTHING is touched, and made by "worldly" hands, and people that don't worship "Jah". Where do you draw the line?

Its really CHILDISH, paranoid, and ignorant behavior, when you think about it. They go around thinking inanimate plastic objects, can somehow allow demons to control you.

My 9 yr old daughter has better, and more logical sense, than an Elder in his 50's that woud preach that a magic 8 ball needs to be shunned like it has the plague virus on it.

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I'm so confused, help?

by Ponyo in

i want to share my story.

(might be a tad long).

i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.

Dunedain

Hey my dear, I can really sympathize with your situation. I was in a similar one myself, except from the male perspective, as I am a dude, lol.

Currently, my family situation is wonderful. Beautiful children, loving good hearted wife, and we are living a very comfortable, secure life.

Yet, I can, and sometimes look back and wonder what could have been, with my ex wife, that I am divorced from.

I followed my heart though, and I also looked at things logically, and what was the best decision for me, and would be in the long run.

I can tell you this, the best advice I could give you, is to take the religion/JW element OUT of the equation. Really think about it, but because you made decisions based on what a manmade organization thinks, you are kinda in this predicament now.

Thinking that something happened, or may not happen, or did happen, because its a test from Satan, or a blessing from Jah, is adding unnecessary stress to a very stressfull situation already. This WILL cause you to sometimes make poor decisions, and not look at things logically, or following your own instincts, or heart.

Please take the "religion", and the guilt that comes along with it, out of the equation, and your decision making. Free yourself from that burden, and then start looking at the situation from that standpoint. Give yourself the time, and respect to really know what YOU feel, and want, so that YOU can make the right decision.

Don't rush, and try not to make the same mistakes, that perhaps were made in the past. learn from them, and be true to yourself, not a manmade organization, that does NOT care for you.

One thing you said, and I think you should keep first and foremost in your decision making, is keeping your kids FIRST. I am happy to hear that they are your world, and you love them. They ARE a reality, and ARE here, so they ARE something that SHOULD affect your decisions.

Always think about what would be best for them and you. We always must sacrifice for our kids. Who you stay with MAY, or may NOT, have to be sacrificed for your kids. I think you would agree that leaving and breaking up a family, that MAY affect your children, so you could be with someone else, would maybe be a selfish decision. That being said, YOUR situation IS way more complicated than that. You knew this person first, and kinda had a little commitment to him, that you decided to break.

Maybe your kids are young enough that it wouldn't affect them. Maybe it would not be good to stay in a loveless marriage, if that's even the case. Or maybe the worst thing you could do, would be to take your children away, and go far away, to be with someone, who may not even be the same person who you knew 6 years ago.

Only you can answer those questions, but they best way to answer them is based on information, and get and weighing facts. Take the JW/religion out of the situations. Don't burden yourself any more with thinking that spirit creatures, whether good or bad, are having a bearing on this situation.

Look at it with YOUR own thoughts, and feelings, and make decisions based on all the factors. Its NOT going to be easy, but it has to START there. Also, do things on YOUR time, and don't rush, especially since your lovely children are involved. Time WILL fix all things.

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THIS Is How JWs Feel About The Cut In Magazines And Content

by pale.emperor in

i asked the question on quora "how do jehovah's witnesses feel about the announcement that the public edition of the watchtower and awake!

magazine is being reduced to just 3 issues a year and the number of books, tracts, and online content are being discontinued?".

https://www.quora.com/how-do-jehovahs-witnesses-feel-about-the-announcement-that-the-public-edition-of-the-watchtower-and-awake-magazine-is-being-reduced-to-just-3-issues-a-year-and-the-number-of-books-tracts-and-online-content-are-being-discontinued.

Dunedain

@ Moreconfusedthanever - "westerners". Do you mean like Cowboys, and bull riders, or people that live in California, lol, just kidding.

Its so true though. You are absolutely right. Its a very American/English/Western religion. The higher ups really only think, and accommodate who, and what they think their little world is. The Governing body are a bunch of crusty old American white guys, who usually have never had a family, or children.

Yet, they make all the rules, and none of their rules accommodate anyone out of their little circle. They have blinders on, and no compassion for others from different walks of life.

Oh but God ONLY speaks thru them. You see, the ancient Hebrew God, really only likes waspy 70 yr old white male Americans from the North East of the United States, and only like 7 of them.

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Is there anything organizational a JW can be negative about?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

about what organizational aspect are witnesses negative?.

(i can’t find anything).. always positive = irrational = indoctrination.

g..

Dunedain

The only thing they are "negative" about is this horrible, no good, depraved, and ungodly system, they are forced to live in.

Also, all the evil, demonized, worldly people they are forced to have to share planet earth with. Its such a negative thing.

They would be so much better off with only, like minded, pea brained, unthinking, brain washed idiots, to share the earth with forever. Then they would only have Elders to tell them what to do, feel, say, think, and act like.

It would be such a positive world, wouldn't it. YUUUUCHHH

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THIS Is How JWs Feel About The Cut In Magazines And Content

by pale.emperor in

i asked the question on quora "how do jehovah's witnesses feel about the announcement that the public edition of the watchtower and awake!

magazine is being reduced to just 3 issues a year and the number of books, tracts, and online content are being discontinued?".

https://www.quora.com/how-do-jehovahs-witnesses-feel-about-the-announcement-that-the-public-edition-of-the-watchtower-and-awake-magazine-is-being-reduced-to-just-3-issues-a-year-and-the-number-of-books-tracts-and-online-content-are-being-discontinued.

Dunedain

LOL!!!

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If WT are cutting back on mags will they also cut back on Bethelites?

by truthseeker in

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friends

i was thinking after hearing about the agm cutbacks to the mags and other website content surely they will end up dismissing more bethelites?

i would have thought in the old days, before the web, an artist or writer at bethel would have been a full time job making content for four 32 page mags a month.

now what are these guys going to do?.

Dunedain

There have been tremendous cutbacks to Bethelites already. For well over a year now, many Bethelites, including married couples who were thinking they were going to be spending the rest of their lives at Bethel, have received their pink slips.

Also, they have not been accepting anywhere as many persons into Bethel, as they have only just a few years ago. Bethelites about a year ago, were told they would NOT be having their medical benefits any longer. Some only had about 2 to 3 months notice before their benefits ended, if I recall correctly.

This has been going on already way before these new publication cutbacks were announced. In fact these latest mag, and literature cutbacks, are the next phase of cutting down.

The first phase was letting go of literally THOUSANDS of Bethelites worldwide.

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Contradicting Society directives

by stuckinarut2 in

with the agm changes, and the changes over the recent few years, it struck me just how contradictory and hypocritical the society is.. we were always told that "wonderful expansion" and growth in halls was proof of god's blessing.

now it is the other way around, and building expansion is halted.. we were always told that door to door is the best way to take the "life saving" truth to people.

now it is the cart work.... we were always told that the abundance of "spiritual food" in the form of publications was proof of gods direction and teaching.

Dunedain

Its so true. Hypocrisy at its worst. The WBTS are some of the biggest "spinners" of tales, of any small, organized cult/religion.

Almost everything they have said, in the past, and used as a basis of their own claimed "divinity", and as the very foundations of their beliefs, are now, either completely changed, proven wrong, or disregarded completely for a new "spin".

If ever the words, "the truth is not in them", could apply, is now. I honestly don't know how they can live with themselves. Its such an insult to any logical, and intelligent person, to just think that this complete 180 in beliefs, is "normal", and acceptable.

They would always tout the words "humility", and being "meek". Yet they dogmatically tell all to follow them blindly, and do as we say, not as we do, while flip flopping on EVERY major example of why they are the "true religion".

If the word TRUTH is the basis for them being divinely chosen, then it is very clear God has NOT chosen them. In fact, God has quite forgotten them as they flounder on the shores of untruth. They crumble on the foundations of lies. They are withering away as an organization, as they blow in the winds of lies, with no substance to stand on.

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"special" anti cart campaign!!

by nowwhat? in

go up to cart witnesses and ask what their organization is doing to aid hurricane victims.

and when they say they look to gods kingdom for the solution.

say your solution is for god kill 99.9 % of humans!

Dunedain

@ Steve2 - You are so right, many JW's use that nonsense "logic" to gauge others spirituality and faith. It creates people who are afraid to express emotion, bottle up their feelings, and are denied the chance to properly mourn the loss of a loved one.

Its actually quite evil, when you think about it. The fact that everyone walks around, pretending how they feel, instead of actually feeling what they feel, creates an organization full of the R&F faking, pretending, spying, hiding, lieing, sneaking, back stabbing, judging, and dividing each other. None of them are really and truly loving each other, though, and that's the sad part.

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Pedophile on The Governing Body

by new boy in

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friends

the bottom line there is zero tolerance for any homosexual activity in jehovah’s holy organization.

so all known gays had been kicked out and disfellowshipped before i got to bethel and gays got kicked and disfellowshipped and disgraced when i was there.

sorry, i guess i meant most homosexuals were kicked out in disgrace.

Dunedain

If this is all true, and by no means am I saying its not true, then this is HUGE. I am surprised this information has not been exposed for much more to see.

I mean, a GB member actually being a pedophile, it doesn't get anymore bigger than that. He got a slap on the wrist, and was sent out to prey on the unsuspecting, again. Its unbelievable. The facts, and details of this situation should be front and center, and made easily available for everyone.

This is almost as big as Franz's nephew, and "crisis of conscience", where in a GB member left, and blew the whistle on a lotta shit.

If many current JW's, especially the many that are on the fence, were to reliably find this info, about a GB pedophile, I think it could open quite a few of their eyes.

I, myself, want to verify this story a little further, and please any other info or place you can direct me would be awesome, cause I want to pass this information on to my, still in, parents. I KNOW this would open their eyes.

I never heard about this before. Thank you for clueing us in, and any other specific info you could provide, that could help verify this, would be awesome.