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  Why believe Revelation or Last Days?

  by Seeker in

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  those of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.

  when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.

  we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.

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  Norm

  Hi Kes,

  You said:

  I know I may get REALLY shot down for saying this, but I have to say it:

  (Big snip.)

  Wowsers! If that "explanation" didn't clear it all up what will?

  Norm.
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  Hi Amos,

  You said:

  Norm,
  Phew, that was a bit rough. That's the problem with brainwashing - you can't see, hear, feel or touch it. But mind you, it's no different for the rest of the world, once a certain mindset is accepted it's just as hard to shift anyone from their position, whether they be RC, or a cultist, or a political party follower or just have a mindset about social issues. That's why it's so hard to communicate with someone who is brainwashed - as soon as a button (trigger word, such as cross, Xmas ) the tape turns on. Unfortunately, logic, facts, reason does not work - anymore it does with most people. I suppose the bottom line is it doesn't matter whether you are a JW, a Mormon, SDA or some other cult, or just a plain atheist - except for the misery it causes to so many. Just Satan at work blinding the minds of people - not about the borg but the good news about Jesus.

  Well, rough or not, that is how I saw it 9 years ago, and still see it. I agree with you that “logic, facts, reason does not work” on religious people. All kinds of superstitious ideas about God, Satan, angels, demons, pregnant virgins, etc doesn’t belong in the realm of the sane. As long as you are willing to accept such superstition there simply isn’t much chance of having any meaningful communication. How you got to mix atheists who reject all such superstition into that company is beyond me.

  Norm
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  New Bethel complex for UK

  by JEMIMAH in

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  as some of you may know london bethel is very close .

  to buying new land to house a new complex (45 acre site).

  it is not often that ibsa has kept a secret this long before.. any info appreciated.

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  Hi,

  I have visited both the old London Bethel and the new IBSA house.

  It is situated on an very nice place on Mill Hill in north London.
  When you get off the subway train on Mill Hill East it is just a short walk up to the offices. When you get back down the hill again you are usually in dire need of a restorative after listening to all the drivel and there is a very nice pub that will bring back the roses on your cheeks.

  Norm
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  Hi all,

  Thank you all for your kind words, particularly Farkel warmed my heart.
  I wrote this about 8-9 years ago in Norwegian.
  I had more or less forgotten about it until 3 years ago when Kent sent it to a newspaper which to our great surprise published it. It was even read on a local Radio station.

  After that I made an English translation. Of course I can only really speak for myself, but I was a gullible idiot to join the Watchtower Society, but I learned a lot from being an idiot. Now I can easily spot other idiots, and I met an awful lot of them in the Watchtower organization. Some where nice people, some where intelligent people but alas still idiots.

  Those who have been raised from Jehovah's Witness parents are of course a whole different thing. They had no choice and it must be extremely difficult to leave the Watchtower, because it usually means losing one’s whole family.

  Norm.
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  Hey There, Georgie Boy!

  by Englishman in

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  i wonder what george can possibly be saying to our lizzie?.

  englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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  Cricky! My fly is open!
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  The dim people. The New World Society. The chosen, brain dead, scared people.
  The Watchtower's obedient parrots. Dim witted puppets without any independent will.
  Unthinking participants in never-ending meetings, where you get to hear the Watchtower's self produced nonsense repeated for the umpteenth time. Where you are served this worthless vomit of stupidity that is called "spiritual food". Thin goo, void of any nutrition, because of being reheated over and over again, thousands of times. A spiritual diet that means a dead braid for all those the Watchtower has conned into believing that there is any nutrition in it.

  Fear - the nameless fear, the fear of the stupid people. Fear of facts, fear of reality.
  Fear that only the Watchtower illusions can chase away. Come let us flee far away from reality. Come let us together escape into the illusions, let us together seek Brooklyn's perverted fantasies in their dream world, let us escape further into our black and white world, let us again experience the wonderful time when we could stone our son's and daughters to death, and all those who doesn't agree with us.

  Let the time return when we can stone all of them who refuse to accept our reality.
  Oh Brooklyn let us relive those times. Let us have the privilege to serve you in this manner. Oh Lord let us show our fear of you and our loyalty. Let us have the Watchtowers greatest privilege, to cast the first stone.

  We get to attend all these meetings and assemblies, we get to go from door to door, and like true parrots, parrot Brooklyn's insane nonsense, utter senseless drivel, so obvious to everybody but ourselves, the Organizations true-born, thoroughbred, brain dead, faithful, loyal, useful, insanely grinning, working for free, make believe happy idiots.

  Oh, let this never end, let us like F. W. Franz wait for the "generation" to end in a "million years". The generation that was 15, no 13, no 10, no born in 1914 - the longest generation in history. The thoroughbred Watchtower idiot generation, the generations of idiots that will never end. Let us never "walk ahead" of the organization, but always follow after. Let us in an endless row, insanely grinning playacting, scared, useful drooling idiots, follow in the old fools footsteps.

  Follow them from 1799 to 1874 to 1878 to 1881 to 1910 to 1914 to 1918 to 1920 to 1925 to 1941 to 1975. Let us never think, let us never reason. Help us like genuine idiots to always stick to your organization, our only fortress and protection against common sense. The organization that will always provide us with a totally meaningless answer to any silly question they can conjure up. The organization who can create problems out of nothing. The organization who can stamp problems out of thin air. The organization who can produce false dilemmas out of nothing.

  Let us never lack the Watchtower's limitless resource of "food" consisting of lies, tripe, drivel and nonsense. Let us continue on this diet until we drop in our endless waiting for what is forever promised but will never be experienced by us, Armageddon.

  Help us living like the organizations true children, with narrow minds, narrow hearts, narrow in everything. Let no one catch us doing anything to relieve pain and poverty in the world. Why should we care about the world's problems and hungry children? They are going to be butchered in Armageddon very soon anyway. Oh, we are so happy. What happiness it is to belong to the "happy people". The people which enjoys such a limitless freedom. The people who have the freedom to fight "independent thinking", who are free to "believe everything" that the Watchtower prints - yes, we have freedom to sacrifice life and health for Brooklyn. We thank the Watchtower who gave us the "truth" about the coming of Armageddon in 1914, 1925 and 1975. Yes, thank you oh, Great Organization for all these "life-giving truths". Let us never be found lacking in such great "new truth's" in the next hundred years in the Watchtower Societies suffocating embrace.

  Oh, great Organization who gave us the truth about the blood. Which has given us the great privilege to sacrifice our children and our own lives to you Oh, Almighty Organization. To us you are everything, for you we are prepared to do whatever you demand. We thank you Oh Brooklyn, for this opportunity to show our loyalty and love for your great Organization, by hating and shunning our own family, our children, siblings and friends. Yes, indeed what are they compared to you, Oh great and holy Organization. We are so happy to have the privilege of belonging to it. Your faithful elders cares so much about you that they are willing to shut up about fathers who molest their daughters for years. What's the ruined life of an innocent little girl compared to the Organizations name and reputation? Yes, what's 1000 girls shattered lives against the precious Organizations reputation? Oh no, the elders know what really matters. No lie, no deceit, no fraud - no indecent act must be spared to cast you in a favorable light. Everything to keep your façade clean Oh, Great Organization. We have all received your message loud and clear, command and we will obey, Oh, Great Organization.

  We will always be faithful to you Oh, Great Organization in Brooklyn. We promise that we will never contribute the power to save to any other Organization but you Oh holy one in Brooklyn.

  Norm
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  No Atheists in a Foxhole

  by hippikon in

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  ever heard the saying that there arent any atheists in a foxhole - i think that is nonsense atheists are born in foxholes

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  Hey you guy's,

  Everybody on this board is atheists. Most people on earth are atheists. Take our fundy Rex, or our esteemed Christian Ros for example, both staunch atheists. They don't believe in Shiva, Thor, Poseidon etc.

  They have no faith in 99,99% of the Gods, they beleive in only 1 God.
  There are some atheists that excludes that last one too, but all of us are atheists.

  If those who believe in the last one could think some more about why they are dismissing all the other gods, they would of course realize that there is just as little reason to believe in the last one. But that is a thought they choose not to think.

  Here endeth the lesson

  Norm
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  GB Split Over Bible vs. Policy

  by Maximus in

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  please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .

  "once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.

  they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.

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  Hi Waiting,

  I think that the Catholic Church's position, first of having the Bible only in latin and not allowing "common" people to have it was a very logic and smart thing. The clergy was probably smart enough to forsee what enormeous damage it would do to both the Bible and the Church if it became generally accessible.

  Many thinking people was of course appalled when they finally was able to read it for themselves. The problem is that most confessing Christians don't read it.

  Norm.
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  INSTINCT

  by silentlambs in

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  i recently watched a movie called instinct.

  it starred anthony hopkins and told the story about a man who went to the wild to live with the gorillas.

  while the premise may have seemed farfetched, the movie offered an insight i had not thought of till i saw how the story was told.

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  Hi Silentlambs,

  Among other things you said:

  It is the instinct the fight to protect your own that makes you who you are. The instinct fuels the rage, the blind charge against overwhelming odds that offers no other solution. Outrage that leadership of those who claim to worship God would allow the weak to suffer as disposable commodities. This instinct is what provides motivation to never stop charging those who perpetrate evil as long as there is the force of life in your body.

  So yes, there is a grief, a loss, a sadness, that is to be found in the eyes of those who suffer, the fear in the eyes of those who are afraid to fight, the coldness in the eyes of those who do not care, the ignorance in the eyes of those who do not understand, the pain in the eyes of those whose instinct forces them to fight to the death those who would harm their own.

  silentlambs

  There is indeed much grief and a huge loss, having your whole social network ripped away from you, as many of us can testify to. You have got to have experienced this firsthand to know the pain it causes.

  It is however important that we do not forget that every individual has a personal responsiblity in such cases. Those who treat people like they do on the orders of the WTS have a personal responsibility. We know they are misguided, mislead and deceived but still they are personally responsible. It is very sad but true.

  Anyway, many people will no doubt be very grateful for what you have done so far and will continue to do. Again we have had a clear example of how one single persons actions DO matter. You have demonstrated clearly that we don't have to be many to accomplish something, one person can do it, or at least start it.

  Take care,

  Norm.
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  Bomb Threat Halts Convention

  by Lee Elder in

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  a bomb threat called in during the sunday morning drama brought a. district convention in tucson arizona to an abrupt halt.

  the convention.

  center was evacuated and bomb sniffing dogs brought in to search for.

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  Hi Lee,

  Thanks for the news.

  You said:

  I can't say that such developments surprise me. It may be just a matter of time before some distraught, unbalanced individual carries out this kind of threat against those they perceive as being responsible for the disruption of their families and personal life.

  I am of course not condoning such actions, but I am surprised there are so few incidents of this kind. Just for the record, don't you think that the WTS actually is responsible for a lot of disrupted families by their policy? I don't think this is something that people just "perceive", it is very much a reality.

  Take care,

  Norm