go to the hall and face the music or stay home and watch t.v this thought went through my head when an elder asked a sister if her husband was to embarrased to sit in the hall when they made the announcement what do you think?
hold on there doggy........now this is interesting
They announce my DF'n (apostasy) about 2wks ago.
I sat in the 2nd row from the front. The elder who announced it sat directly in back of me.
He was very mad at me and it showed in the way he announced my DF'n.
the wt granted an appeal?....are you saying this went past the c.o. and up to bethel?...kewl
what were the circumstances concering your 'apsotacy'
did you attend that meeting out of spite??
you can find pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock in many languages on the watchtower observer, such as english, spanish, polish, portuguese, french, finnish and german.
but there is also lots of other sites that carry the book.. there is a new "pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock" coming soon, and i hope to be able to bring the "new light" in a short while.
http://www.kki.net.pl/~ksk3/ (polish).
i think there should be a board for really bad legal and or business actions the Society has taken as in the case of this...Like trying to build a highrise off of Furman and ruin everyone elses view of Manhattan.........hey when you are directed by god...you are never wrong ????
just for entertainment purposes that is
i am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.
the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.
i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.
You have shown yourself someone who conceals and protects pedophiles
and you are referring to????
NY - I would not trust you even if you did say it was him.
aww....does that mean you ae not my friend??
you can find pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock in many languages on the watchtower observer, such as english, spanish, polish, portuguese, french, finnish and german.
but there is also lots of other sites that carry the book.. there is a new "pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock" coming soon, and i hope to be able to bring the "new light" in a short while.
http://www.kki.net.pl/~ksk3/ (polish).
ken.
just curious
i know there was a web site that had the book posted but then had it removed by the provider because of legal action (i think)
was that you and have you ever heard from the org reagarding this stuff?
go to the hall and face the music or stay home and watch t.v this thought went through my head when an elder asked a sister if her husband was to embarrased to sit in the hall when they made the announcement what do you think?
Go, and when your name is read out, stand up and take a bow. Better still, rush up to the platform and do a gushy Julia Roberts-style thank you speech[/quot]now that is DAMN funny
[quote]Pioneer! Pioneer! Pioneer! it just doesn't pay the bills!
i will pioneer when the WTS or jesus pays my bills
i am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.
the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.
i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.
we could ..but should we??
i received the suggestion below in an email and thought it might be a nice gesture.
if you would like to send flowers or cards of support to the courthouse the address is:.
adams county courthouse.
Let's step away from rumors then. If you want to keep people from talking about Manuel Veliz, then you are a little late. He was convicted already. As for the rest of what I said, I got my information from the post that had Erica's quote in it, the pertinent parts of which I will put here for you."by a Jehovah's Witness elder who incidentally also happened to be my father's good and trusted friend. The sexual assaults started at age four and continued until I was eleven. ...I finally at the age of 19 related these sex crimes a peace officer who also happened to be one of JWs. I had come to "my wits end," in that another JW elder had molested me from age twelve to sixteen
dear deuschebag
point 1--------if you are gonna make such an ass of yourself claiming that there are no "rumors" check your facts..you are off on his name..but I am sure that the Manual Veliz living in Othello will appreciate all the calls he is about to get.
point 2-------where does this state that the two elders were in the same congergation??? didnt think so...so as you said...lets stop with the bullshit rumors. if is obvious you know nothing about the case but are instead satifying your own nimble mind by reading something from nothing...trivia note...Erica was in Cali during her teenage years...
Think before you run your mouth. The reason dubs hate us so much is because, as in this case, they don't know what they are talking about. They like to be a know it all when they don't know anything. They are hypocrites and liars and we point it out to them. I don't know "Erica." I do believe the story is based on facts at least, as I know this bird was convicted and is appealing, on the dates that SL said. I checked that out with the public records.....
the reason dubs hate the antis so much is that some of them will jump on anything that smells like watchtower blood......'can we say miracle wheat'?............so check yourself and stop being blinded by your own hatred....and stop making an ass of yourself.......
next
let's discuss solutions for a second regarding the pedophile issues.. how do you feel the society should handle things?.
should the society be entitled to 'ecclesiatic privilege' as are other religions?.
should such a loophole be allowed when it involves protecting children?.
Should the Society be entitled to 'ecclesiatic privilege' as are other religions?
Hell yeah..why not...regardless if you think they are a cult or not..they are a relgion..and should be given the same legal privelges as any other org...Even thought this whole ecclesiasti privlege thing is a total menace to society
Should such a loophole be allowed when it involves protecting children?
Get rid of the whole thing all together..until then ..yes a loopwhole.]
How should the Society respond locally with a convicted pedophile. Should they ever be allowed back in the congregation? If yes to what level?
aaah the million dollar question.....this is obviously a mental disease...is it curable ..I doubt it...however many on this board complain of the whole idea of df'ing and what it entails...like it or not there are some people that are falsely convicted too and of course, you have the forgiveness of God, something that we can never understand...........so yes only if they have proven themselves cured, repentant....however due to the nature of the crime restrictions would obvioulsy applied.........Like the man who molested Erica..he can never be with children in a car group, in a room alone......etc.
How should local elders handle reports of alleged molestation? One child makes an accusation, what should they do? At what point should they notify authorities? At what point do they notify the congregation?
have the child report it to the authorities.....immediately restrict the privileges the brother may have..and leave it at that..they shouldnt however punish until the courts decide.......
We have all seen the movie "wild things" havent we???
april service report 88,735 pioneers (u.s.).
may service report 86,515 pioneers.
i know they'll pick up a couple thousand suckers in.
When I was an Elder we would get together when Field Service and Pioneers were down and develop a plan to rally the troops. We would all agree to Aux. Pio and then mention this in a big drive at the Service Meeting to get support from the Publishers. Then from the Aux. Pios would eventually emerge Reg. Pioneers. This worked well when the Society was still able to pound on Peace and Security and other such world events.
2 years ago during memorial season ..we had 27 aux pioneers...Last year during the special April auxl. push we had 20 or so......this year we had a total of 6
hmmmmmmmm ........detect a pattern??
i am going to be at a trial in ritzville, washington.
the town is about an hour southwest from spokane, wa.
i will be there on august 14th, which will be on a tuesday.
grunt wrote
The name I was given was Manuel Veliz.
close............but no cigar
Tele what are the initials of the other girls?
Why hide your identity?
Who are you?
I know your not as stupid as that question.......see you in Lions Park
