Posts by OBVES

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Divine plan of the ages

by confused and lost in

whilst reading the chapter entitled "our lords return" in russells book "divine plan of the ages" i came across these interesting quotes :

to this last view the majority of christians of all denominations assent (notwithstanding the creeds of some to the contrary), from a feeling that any other view would be irreconcilable with justice on god's part.

but do the scriptures support this last view?

OBVES

I strongly believe we are in the times when the best understanding
of the Bible is available to mankind and we can prove the Bible is
applicable to our times and that we must live in the end-times.
Once we understand that we are on the right track . Don't tell me we
must be ready all the time to meet the Creator and we cannot know the
time of the end of the world.
I am riding on byke and only last year I was at least two times in
close encounter with death in accidents .
So, I know by that how I should be ready constantly for sudden death
and yet I am the person who is preoccupied with the calculations based
on the Bible in a peculiar way as you can notice when you read my
posts with numbers.
The numbers I am using may overwhelm you but it is like a drop in an
ocean when you go and see how numbers are used in a investment fund
or bank or Wall Street. Even what sports fan know about numbers in
sport .
The calculations I am giving are so simple that a 10-year old child
should understand . You need to know some algebra and how abacore
works . Abacore is an ancient instrument for simple calculations and
that simple tool beats up all computers we have today !

Daniel 12.4 speaks about times of great understanding and this verse
is being fulfilled right before our eyes today.

The period of that understanding is unmistakenly as 1984 AD - 2011 AD.

In 1984 AD is the basic year of the decoding mankind's chronology
and end-times. I came up with this timeline or I can call it a calendar formula:

4010 BC,3010 BC,2010 BC,1010 BC,10 BC,991 AD,1991 AD,2991 AD
7 symbolic days each of 1000 years =one symbolic week = 7000 years

The last two days of 6000 years of the present world order are :
Thursday,Friday : 10 BC - 1991 AD.

This old timeline stands today but we must add 10 years to each day of
1000 years .
4027 BC - From Adam to 1974 AD = 6000 years + 60 years = 2034 AD

We must have 2020 years since 10 BC . 10 BC + 2020 years for two days
= 2011 AD !
We must place the whole 60-year period appropriately .
1974 AD - 2034 AD and we must locate the parts of this period :
subperiods.

4027 BC - 4010 BC - Adam sinned in 4010 BC. = 17 years
1974 AD + 17 years = 1991 AD
29 AD - 36 AD = 7 years for the time of Jesus Christ and his first
disciples
1991 AD + 7 years = 1998 AD

Since we place the 10-year periods at the end we can do this:
1000 years : 12 hours for a day - John 11.9 = 83 years ( rounded)
That period is 36 AD - 119 AD- the last hour in the ancient times.

2020 - 1000 = 1020 1020 : 12 = 85 years
This 85 years we put at the end times that come in our times !
1914 AD + 85 years = 1999 AD

1010 normal day has : 1010 : 12 = 84 years + 2 years left
The normal hour is 84 years .
83 + 85 = 168 168 : 2 = 84

God's name with numerical values as I had shown : 26,28,30 makes a total of 84 ! 26+28+30 = 84

6 days of 6060 years have 6 x 2 years as leftover which is 12 years .

1999 AD + 12 years = 2011 AD

Since the year 106 AD is 10 -years already as per Revelation 2.10
about 10 days.
96 AD + 10 years = 106 AD we can cut 13 years from 36 AD - 119 AD to
make it 36 AD - 106 AD.
96 AD - The Revelation was given and "these things are going to come
to pass soon " - Revelation 1.1-3.

1999 AD + 13 years = 2012 AD

2011 AD - 2012 AD = This will be a year when Christ is going to
establish His Government on this earth:
Jesus Christ + his 144000 menservants as "God" and " gods" .

One year fall 2011 AD-2012 AD is for Christ as God's Word.
2012 AD + 22 years is for 22 Hebrew alphabet- Psalm 119 and that
symbolizes the Bible - Word of God .
All major resurrection will take place in 2011 AD - 2012 AD - 2034 AD.
Many will learn the Truth in that period . I hope I will teach nations
my calculations which magnify God Yahweh as the Only True God , His
Love ,Truth and Mercy and Wisdom and Power through His Son Yahshua
the Messiah. Really I can call these calculations divine as they
belong to God Yahweh.

So, we have 1974 AD + 17 years + 7 years + 1 year + 12 years + 1 year
+ 22 years which is sought 60 years to 2034 AD.
Then we going to have the 1000-year Kingdom of God on earth to 3034
AD. Children and good pagans chosen by God will have a chance to live
for ever -This is also the time of resurection then.

And we know now that 1010 years have 10 years at the end .
3034 AD + 10 years from 7th 1010-year period = 3044 AD
This time all yet uncondemned evil doers will be made alive for a
short time to test those who are saved but have not be tested yet .
And those evil people will be dying off for ever throughout this 10-
year period.
Then in 3044 AD the eterenity will begin for those who loved and
love God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ.

4027 BC + 7 days or 7070 years = 3044 AD
4027 BC + 6 days or 6060 years = 1974 AD - 2034 AD
10 BC + 2 last days or 2020 years = 1991 AD - 2011 AD
That is why the year 2011 AD is the next best prediction of the end of
the world. Can you imagine we are less than 4 years to that time ?!

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Tula and OBVES - you will like this

by cultswatter in

1+2+3+4+...+36=?

OBVES

I will attempt to make it obvious. Since the numbers in the Hebrew were written as words with letters they are the words of God . If so ,we have to interpret the numbers as we interpret other words of the Bible.

The same principle applies here to who may interpret the Bible . Those who are the remnant of 144000 class of servants. They are to feed the others. Since I proved that in God's plan the faithful servant in the end-times can mean small united group of servants ( having their organization) and one individual seperate servant closing the number 144000 all others must listen to what they teach.

The timeline shows that one servant comes after the small group .

1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD -1921 AD ........ 1984 AD and then single servant : 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 2011 AD-2012 AD.

And we can from Daniel 12.4 that in the end-time the understanding will increase immensely and it will grows with passing time we should expect the best understanding of the Bible presented from 1984 AD up to the very end. The 1984 AD is the most important date in the end-times before the return of the Messiah Jesus Christ.

That one sngle servant cannot be in opposition to that one small class as per Luke 9.49-50 . Every word there must be fulfilled to the jota.

If one diqualifies that remnant who are among Jehovah's Witnesses that person must provide the substitute to make Matthew 24.45-46 a reality before the end of the world takes place.

You by doing so must claim that you are belong to the class of 144000 and must prove that by your life aligned with specific dates.

If I were living back then when Christ lived by knowing the dates 7 BC,2 BC, 4 BC , 11 AD and 29 AD and 33 AD I know today I would have recognized the Messiah; Knowing his teachings coupled with that.

I came up with the date 1914 AD and 1950 AD and all other dates fit in nicely into end-time table. You have to create your own timeline that would challenge my timeline properly. You must have dates that will fit into your life as that one single servant .

First of all you have to prove the Bible is for our times as I can stick to the literal wording of the Bible and come to the conclusion that the Holy Writings - the Bible did not exist even yet as we know today - were for the people living up to the year 70 AD or 106 AD and the remaining parts for people that will live say 100000 years from now .

So ,I believe you will not be able to do it without proper calculations based on the Bible - and that includes the proper interpretation of the Bible .

So ,try to put forth another starting date and explain the reason why such date ?

Are you with me on the same page ?

Say , we have 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD find a timeline for our times that will be a duplicate of that timeline .

Then we will know that we have a repetition of what was already taking place before .

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Last days: an increase in knowledge

by tula in

daniel 12:4 (new king james version).

4 but you, daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/shifthappens.

OBVES

It happens all the time ! Many people think this way but the words may have another meaning !

More we know it can cause many problems as we will be facing so more and more opponents to what we know from the Bible and they can cause a lot of sufferings to us who hold the Truth in high esteem.The Truth can bring immeasurable joy and peace to those that founded it.

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Why I like being a Jehovah's Witness

by TooBad TooSad in

there are so many reasons why i like being a jehovahs's witness.. 1. we get to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.. 2. we don't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.. 3. we get to celebrate the birth of a child but not the anniversary of the birth.. 4. we don't pass a collection plate at our meetings and we get to put in our wills that when.

we die that our house, cd's, jewelery, life insurance, and cash can go the the watchtower society.

so that our family doesn't have to worry about those things.. 5. we don't have to be with our families during the holidays to enjoy each other company and eat the.

OBVES

Suppose all these folks in the Watchtower have a very detrimental life record in their private lives . It is still not addressing the most important issue here. The Watchtower's teachings still surpass the teachings of any other religious organization.

They hold the best apple ( just to better visualize the matter ) and they give it to others . Would I not take that apple from somebody who you think is a robber or a child molester and eat it ?

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Why I like being a Jehovah's Witness

by TooBad TooSad in

there are so many reasons why i like being a jehovahs's witness.. 1. we get to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.. 2. we don't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.. 3. we get to celebrate the birth of a child but not the anniversary of the birth.. 4. we don't pass a collection plate at our meetings and we get to put in our wills that when.

we die that our house, cd's, jewelery, life insurance, and cash can go the the watchtower society.

so that our family doesn't have to worry about those things.. 5. we don't have to be with our families during the holidays to enjoy each other company and eat the.

OBVES

How many negatives one can see in Jehovah Witness organization I don't care ! What I care about now in the seemingly very end-times is how they stand in God's plan of the end-times !

Read well my posts how I came to the convincing conclusion the International Bible Students and their legitimate successors - Jehovah's Witnesses - all adhering to the name Watchtower - must be true christian religion . If one attacks them you have to show the way to those who are in dismay and uncertainty which religious organization is right for them !

You cannot leave them alone and say be on your own as it is very difficult to be a lone worshipper of God for someone who has family and is not so strong to be so.

You have to explain Matthew 24.45-46 who is that faithful servant in the end-times that has flock to feed. This is a very important issue as by attacking the Watchtower you can be placing yourself in opposition to God of the Bible.

The Watchtower's task is not feeding the poor physically by passing out the potatoes,turkey and the like . We have people who waste huge amounts of money by playing bingo, paying even thousands of dollars for tickets to see football when at the same time we have people who eat from trash beans ! We have people who have houses with 10 or more rooms and they don't spend time in preaching the Bible to the poor and yet they will not take a homeless needy person to their homes.

A person criticizing the Watchtower should give a good example first.

You may not know what the individuals from the Watchtower are doing privately in their lives.

These folks could go on and live normal lives like most people do and go to college and get a good job yet they could have decided to forfeit these things to serve God of the Bible. The money the Watchtower has is mostly the money given by other faithful people and they must use the money according to donors' wishes.They can use the money in a way to increase if so they contributed to that .The basis is the money donated.

If you gave me 1000 dollars to help me with preaching work will it be honest if I take this money and go a shelter for homeless and give to people there ? And to make it more powerful many of these homeless people may wait for easy handouts and are going to spend the money on alcohol,ciagarettes and drugs .

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Jehovah's Witnesses One Mans Obsession

by Homerovah the Almighty in

i always think its interesting to examine the history of religious beliefs and certainly the jws takes the most of my interest since its rooted in my own immediate family.

to date there are 7 million or so jws worldwide and could be considered a success from the stand point that it all originated and evolved from one man's obsession.

the man that i'm speaking of course is none other than charles taze russell an inspiring individual who was aggressively motivated to cut him out a piece of the religious pie.

OBVES

Then I would recommend anyone to follow his footstep and be obsessed also as it will turn out well for your good I hope.If you think you otherwise go and see one investment fund or bank or see Wallstreet to see how man can be obsessed with money . Then you will understand that it is much better to fill your mind with the words of the Bible than with the constant thinking about money.

A few days ago I heard on the radio station WTOP ( Washington,D.C. area ) a man working for the station and who interviewed some fianancial specialist calling people on Wallstreet crazy men and woman.

This was said by somebody who I doubt has the true religion !

You should be glad if you they call you an obsessed man with religion. You can be but never be obsessed with money ,sports events , w world music and movie entertainers. You hear about TV show " American Idol " ? The name alone is speaking for itself ! And millions are watching it in the USA.

So, Taze Russell was an amazing man with the good obsession that brought him a great honor as it was he who revived the True Christianity and I proved that in my posts.I encourage everyone of you to find my posts and read them to have a better view of who are Jehovah's Witnesses according to God's end-time plan.

If you move them out of the scene you have to put another religion in place. Remember the words of Matthew 24.45-46 must be fulfilled before the end of the world comes.

There is a servant there who has a flock to feed and who is that servant ? Luke 9.49-50 has a clue for that. It allows for the existence of two categories of the faithful servants who all belong to the class of 144000 menservants :

one small united group of servants ( they are a part of Christ's bride ) and they should have an organization for orderly feeding their servants and one servant who is as an outsider and yet is not against that small group of servants. That single independent servant is feeding other indpendents who agree with him and are without being a part of any earthly religious organization.
This is God's plan based on the Bible.

In actulity I don't care too much was Taze Russell a banker or salesman .What I care and you should is to check what he was teaching at that time and was his teaching the best as compared to other teachings by other religious groups.

The end-time line must be filled up with right people who claim to be the servants of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ.

1878 AD - 1879 AD - 1883 AD - 1884 AD - 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD - 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD one small religious group ....................................................... + One independent servant ....................................

Since the two types occur at the same time in Luke 9.49-50 we must find the legitimate successors to the International Bible Students who had some people in their ranks belonging to the class of 144000 menservants.And Jehovah's Witnesses can claim they have some of 144000 in their ranks as well .

Note the timeline is related to the timeline when Jesus Christ and first Christians lived and preached. They preached a new distinctive religion so those related to the end-time line also preach a new distinctive religion that most people oppose.

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The Holy Spirit-"God's Active Force"?!

by Chalam in

jw
friends

another central difference in the beliefs of jws and most christians.

the wt teaches that the holy spirit is "god's active force" and certainly not a person or part of the trinity (which they say doesn't exist).

as the holy spirit is fundamental to understanding godly things (including the whole of the bible) then we should really have an understanding about god's spirit if we want to understand the bible.

OBVES

The issue of the Holy Spirit is a wonderful example how people twist the Bible verses.

They don't realize that God Yahweh requires of us a simple common sense when we face God's words in the Bible.

We do many things in the name of love . Better expression is : we do many things in the spirit of love.

In this simple sentence we can already sense what the word "spirit " can mean.

If one is a True Christian he is living in the spirit of holiness. If we get the Spirit of God we get the spirit of living the way God Yahweh wants us to live : we got the Holy Spirit of God .

God's power that created and sustains the universe is the active power of God - it is not the Holy Spirit. As God Yahweh penetrates or fills up all things that exist and I know an atheist doesn't have the Spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit is not the Third person of the Trinity and is not the active force of God either !

Now , when we live in the end-time era that is closing in we are coming to the better understanding of the Bible and you should look for the new light on the Bible ,not by going to the old ideas people have on the Bible.

Read my posts to find out when this new era of understanding the Bible began. You can put aside many publications by the Watchtwer from earlier days as they became obsolete.

They served their time and they should and they were the best in that time. That is why the International Bible Students remain as the True Christian group that was the best in the right time and they served well back then and a part of the end-time True Christianity even though my views are so different than theirs .

We go forward in our search for the Truth.

Nowhere in the Bible it is said: 1/3 of God the Father ,1/3 of God the Son and 1/3 of God the Holy Spirit .Then we could say there is one God in three persons .

Jesus said : My God and your God , my Father and your Father- John 20.17

Yahweh who is the Father is the only true God - John 17.3 .It is so simple and clear .

Isaiah 48.16: " and now the Lord God and His Spirit hath sent me "

God Yahweh is not the Spirit as we can see from this verse.

God is the Spirit - John 4.24 and the Word was God - John 1.1 must be interpreted in the light of other related statements in the Bible. God Yahweh is not the Spirit literally just as Jesus is not God literally !

God must be the Spirit figuratively just as Jesus is God figuratively speaking.

Moses was called God and yet he was not God literally ! But at the same time he was not a false god as God Yahweh made him God- Exodus 7.1.

In saying the International Bible Students were the True Christianity I am not saying they were without mistakes in their doctrines but that they were the best in that time .

I have so many different views on the Bible and yet I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses, regarding them as the best religious organization on our planet earth. Why ? Because they still surpass other religious groups by making less mistakes .

What car you would like to use ? The one with more faults or the one with less faults ?

Jehovah's Witnesses don't fully understand what is the Holy Ghost who is the Holy Spirit but they are better in explanation of the Holy Spirit than many other religions.

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Armageddon is almost here.

by PEC in

jw
friends

tornado warnings in los angeles, armageddon is almost here.. philip.

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OBVES

It depends how you look at the time setting.

1517 BC (fall ) + 3.5 years in Egypt when God Yahweh was freeing through Moses the nation of Israel - spring 1513 BC

1513 BC + 3.5 days as 3500 years = spring 1988 AD

1984 AD ( fall) + 3.5 years - spring 1988 AD + 3.5 years = fall 1991 AD

3.5 times as 3.5 years = 3.5 days can also mean 20 or 21 years according to my calculations.

1991 AD ( fall ) + 20 years = 2011 AD 1991 AD (fall) + 21 years = 2012 AD

1517 BC - 1513 BC - 1984 AD -1988 AD -1991 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD

1517 AD + 3.500 years = 1984 AD + 27 or 28 years for God's name or 7 Times = 2011 AD - 2012 AD

96 AD the Revelation of John + 10 days as per Revelation 2.10 which can be as 10 years = 106 AD

In part the words of Revelation given to John fulfilled in the period 96 AD -106 AD .John was writing about 7 churches back then and the things were going to take place very soon- Revelation 1.1-3

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Armageddon is almost here.

by PEC in

jw
friends

tornado warnings in los angeles, armageddon is almost here.. philip.

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OBVES

I am predicting the end of the world coming secretly unexpectedly for most people !

So ,you have to have spiritual insight into the things .

We are now according to my explanations under Matthew 24.29 !

The 12 stars falling down represent 12 years .

1999 AD + 12 years = 2011 AD

1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1992 AD - 1999 AD - The Great Tribulation of 15 years .

How come 15 years ? It is God's Name YAH that has numerical value as I had explained.

YHWH = 10,5,6,5 = 26 or 7777 = 28 or 30 which is the modern numerical value of God's name.

11,6,7,6 = 30 So one half = 15

God's name as 10,5,6,5 help us to divide the most horrible period in human history and we use also "30" for God's name and " 28 ".

10 is in the 1919 AD - 1929 AD 5 in the 1933 AD - 1938 AD

6 is in the 1938 AD-1944 AD 5 is in the 1914 AD-1919 AD

30 is in the 1914 AD-1944 AD

The shortest period is 1929 AD-1932 AD .We have to transform the number 28 into the 27 which is synonimous.

1+2+3+4+5+6+7 =28

7 times = 1x2x3x4x5x6x7 = 2x3x4x5x6x7 = 5040 2+3+4+5+6+7=27
That is why we have 1932 AD - 1938 AD - 1944 AD 6+6 = 12

28 is in the 1914 AD -1919 AD,1919 AD-1929 AD = 15 for 10+5

and 1932 AD-1938 AD - 1944 AD = 12 for 7+6

10+5 and 6+6 = 27 :

For the Great Depression : 1929 AD -1932 AD is also a correct period instead of 1929 AD-1933 AD.Check the history books.

Note that for the First World War we can have 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1919 AD; for the Second World War : 1938 AD - 1939 AD - 1944 AD - 1945 AD. Check the history books.

We take the horrible events of the period 1914 AD - 1944 AD in 30 years and superimpose on the period 1984 AD - 1999 AD.

1984 AD - 1990 AD = 1938 AD-1944 AD for the Second World War

1990 AD - 1994 AD = 1929 AD-1933 AD for the Great Depression

1994 AD - 1999 AD = 1914 AD-1919 AD for the First World War

It must have been the Spiritual Great Tribulation in 1984 AD-1999 AD that world didn't know about !

On August 11,1999 AD immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun turned dark as it was total solar eclipse and on January ,21 ,2000 there was a lunar eclipse .

The distance between the two had to be 164 days from calculations.

So ,from the fall ( Month of Tishrey ) 2000 AD we count 12 stars falling down as 12 years falling down on mankind.

2000 AD - 1st star 2008 AD-9th star and 2011 AD = 12th star.

I encourage you to get very well acquainted with my posts on this forum and on the usenet.

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Armageddon is almost here.

by PEC in

jw
friends

tornado warnings in los angeles, armageddon is almost here.. philip.

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OBVES

I see a big misunderstanding on your part or rather you take it playfully just to joke .

You have to read posts of people who lay claims they servants of God Yahweh and prove the Bible is for our times. It's not easy as I can stick to the Bible like pastor Dave I know of and prove the end of the world took place in 70 AD.

I wrote profusely using the calculations that the Bible is for our times and who is right with God .You must be covered by God's plan of salvation to make the end-time predictions.

It is not so that you see a tornado warning and that's it ! We have so many signs for their fulfillment that you would have to come with more elaborate explanations to pose a challenge to anyone who studies the Bible right way . And you bear responsibility how you represent God's Bible .

God Yahweh has a perfect plan and things must take place as He had established. And we need spiritual insight into the things that are to precede the very end of the world.