Well... the explenation will be something along the lines of
Now we have an organisation so therefore... we do not need to search anymore as everything is provided to us by the 'slave class'....
Wanna bet?
raxxxx
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8/15/12 WT- Article of NONSENSE!
by stillstuckcruz inthe first article in the study edition is full of lots of little holes and contradictions.. pargraph 4:.
4 however, in the 1870sabout four decades before the last days begana small group of sincere christians in pennsylvania, u.s.a., met together to study the bible diligently and to search for the true knowledge.
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Evidence for God...
by tec inlife come from the living, and this is a universe of life.
his teachings are truth.
which is why i weight it against the truth of the teachings (and one other thing that i will get to).
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I am really sorry for what you are about to read... I was going through the forum... and I just could not help but notice being drawn to this topic... and here is my reply to the evidence provided by tammy....
'Humanity has shown a need to seek out spiritual'
From the deistic point of view that is not really a great argument. The idea of Deism is to believe in a creator...who created and them most likely left us to our own devices or ceased to exist. Lets take the meaning of the word 'spiritual' in that sentence. It seems to me that this particular word has changed his meaning over the thousands of years. We used to associate spiritual with such evens as thunderstorm, earthquakes or hurricanes. And that was simply because of our lack of knowledge. Since then we gained understanding of such things and we know that they have got nothing to do with Zeus or Thor or Posaidon. We accept a logical and a more naturalistic explanation... so I think it is safe to conclude, that 'spiritual' in your... what could be only described as an assertion and a very rich generalisation, is simply 'something that we do because we are yet to understand why'. And as always... keeping to our habit we label it with a god. An argument from ignorance if you will.
'Humans have fantastic imagination'
Yes... you are correct... but surely... that is not an argument for your case is it? It suggests that we are more likely to be superstitious, gullible, afraid and most likely to make something up based on what someone said, or 'what we thought we saw'. Example of aliens is especially unfortunate. You, yourself said that you 'have never known a single person, who can conceive of something that has been built upon previous knowledge, or observation of the physical world'... that is why for example god is a man in the bible... man has power.... it's all about men... because it was written by humans! And I would say that you are quite unfortunate to not have known anyone with quite an abstract mind.
'Life does not come from nothing'
It's simply an expansion of 'How out of nothing you get something'... well if life does not come from nothing then how was God created? He lives … right?
Evidence for God, the Father of Christ (theism? Really?)
You stated that Christ is the basis of your entire faith and from what you wrote it seems that you do believe in him... but you state nothing about God? Unless they are the same person?
You also make a statement or more of a claim that you can see the truth in Christ's teachings. Which ones in particular? Golden Ru le? Lets have a look at just that one teaching of his “All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean''(NWT) Seems like a good thing, right? But... I am sorry to say it's neither original nor unique... nor that great to be honest! Let's look at alternatives...
In 300 BC we have ' This is sum of duty. Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you' in Brahamanism.
'Hurt not others in ways that you yourself could find hurtful' in Buddishm.
And my favourite.
Around 500 BC 'Surely it is the maxim of loving-kindness: Do NOT unto others that you would NOT have them do to you'' in Confucionism.
And I personally find the negative 'DO NOT' far more superior that Christ's 'DO'. I mean... think about it. Do unto others as you would want them do to you.... what if you are a sadist? Or what if you simply have a bad taste? :)
And that is just one example of how... unoriginal Christ's teachings were? And let's take a look at Jesus... he was contradictory, had fits of anger, supported slavery by incorporating it in his teachings, was disrespectful to his mother.... and his teachings were neither original nor that great...
Personal evidence
Imagine if we were in a court right now. Would any of the personal evidences or even testimony contained in gospels stand on their own? Or would they be dismissed as simply speculations and creations of someone's imagination? Would they be taken into consideration? Or rather... should they?
Gospels of the new testament are the only evidence of the existence of Christ. Which is unusual, taken that there were a few historians active during the time, when he supposedly has lived (We have a mention of a Christ in form of a movement supposedly named after him). He never wrote anything himself (allegedly). So we are truly just left with the gospels... but how can we take them as evidence taking that they are contradictory(I mean they can not get the year of Jesus' birth right!!) and contain information not synchronised with the true historical events. How can anyone take that as evidence?!
The Spirit of Christ speaks
I will be honest I did not read the whole text of this part of the post. But allow me to quote late Christopher Hitchens.
'I would like to be next to you, when if you were walking down the street someone would run up to you shouting 'I CAN HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD!!!!' Would you throw your arms around him and say 'YOU TOO?! WHAT LUCK!'
Thanks for reading and hope I did not offend anyone
RAM
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my DF-ing letter - opinions
by raxxxx into the body of elders in xxxxx.. .
i no longer wish to recognised as one of the jehovah's witnesses due to the fact that i no longer believe that this 'organisation' is truly representing him because :.
i have experienced greater and unconditional love/friendship with the people i am supposed to hate 'worldly people' than i did in this congregation.
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tornapart - yes I do know that... I am ready... finally. Got a whole plan. Letter to parents, letter to girlfriend and her mum and letter to BOE. All sealed. Packed and ready for a new adventure. Have got a few 'worldly' friends... and I have been privileged to have friendships with those people for many, many years. Now or never!
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my DF-ing letter - opinions
by raxxxx into the body of elders in xxxxx.. .
i no longer wish to recognised as one of the jehovah's witnesses due to the fact that i no longer believe that this 'organisation' is truly representing him because :.
i have experienced greater and unconditional love/friendship with the people i am supposed to hate 'worldly people' than i did in this congregation.
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To the body of elders in xxxxx.
I no longer wish to recognised as one of the Jehovah's Witnesses due to the fact that I no longer believe that this 'organisation' is truly representing him because :
I have experienced greater and unconditional love/friendship with the people I am supposed to hate 'worldly people' than I did in this congregation. People here are gossipers, presenting their own views as of the 'society'
I always took big interest into history and have recently been studying the history of Jerusalem as well as took interest in archaeology and I simply can not accept some of the teaching of 'The Watchtower' which I was not aware of before my baptism. The teaching of Jerusalem being destroyed in 607 B.C. and not 587 B.C. is not being presented in an honest way.
The theory about earthquakes being in an increase has no scientific backing whatsoever.
Idea that I was being led to believe about Jehovah's Witnesses being the only organisation doing the preaching work is biased and untrue.
Changing of the doctrine numerous times shows lack of consistency in teachings... adapting to get more believers does not show honesty. I know scriptures talk about 'light getting brighter' – that is true but it does not talking about 'light changing from dark to light and then to dark... and then to light again'. 'Light getting brighter' implies that there would be at least light at the beginning not a complete change of the doctrine back and forth every now and then (for example : organ transplants; blood – now we are able to take blood fractions – with no scriptural backing)
Probably there are a few more reasons but there is no point in mentioning them. I would like to say that I will always love you all and that I wish you the best but that would be an overstatement and only partially true. I wish you no ill will but I can not be happy for people who are not honest; biased and showing love only to certain member of the congregation and not everyone in it. It was a very depressing experience going to the kingdom hall and seeing all of the private clubs everywhere around. I really hope I will not hear from you soon and make not that if I will repent... I will make arrangements for a meeting so please do not try and give me a shepherding call...
Yours faithfully
What do you guys think?
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interesting looking blog!
by raxxxx inlooks like there could be some interesting stuff in the future.
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another jw who missed out on education.....
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Looks like there could be some interesting stuff in the future
Another JW who missed out on education....
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review of a newly baptized publisher
by raxxxx inan elder approached a mate of mine saying that they have to meet up with him soon because he has been baptised a year and it's time for his review?
anyone has heard of that?
they are really pissing me off :/.
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an elder approached a mate of mine saying that they have to meet up with him soon because he has been baptised a year and it's time for his review? anyone has heard of that? they are really pissing me off :/
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depressed and starting to loose it
by raxxxx insooo... it has been a few good months since i started having doubts and started researching.
now very much convinced i had been lied to and my parents had not done their homework prior being baptised therefore it fucked up my future ... just a bit.
now also had been going out with a jw girl for 1,5 years... and i am starting to loose it... stuck in a lie, delaying the getting engaged because of my attitude towards religion(she knows i had doubts and always have been anti watchtower - got baptized anyway... stupid me - but she doesn't make a big deal out of it... she is not very strong spiritually) ergo i know i am not fit to be head of the house by jw standards... but i just love her too damn much to break her heart by leaving the organization and ergo leaving her.
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sooo... it has been a few good months since i started having doubts and started researching. now very much convinced i had been lied to and my parents had not done their homework prior being baptised therefore it fucked up my future ... just a bit. now also had been going out with a jw girl for 1,5 years... and i am starting to loose it... stuck in a lie, delaying the getting engaged because of my attitude towards religion(she knows i had doubts and always have been anti watchtower - got baptized anyway... stupid me - but she doesn't make a big deal out of it... she is not very strong spiritually) ergo i know i am not fit to be head of the house by jw standards... but i just love her too damn much to break her heart by leaving the organization and ergo leaving her. i don't want her to leave with me because she will resent me with time... because she won't have contact with her parents and friends... don't wanna take someone's life into my hands to fuck it up... stuck not knowing what to do and usually calm, controlled and loving person is hurling down in the obscenity of self-hate and alcohol... ahh there was my little rant... somehow still not feeling better!
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Cons of being a jehovah's witness
by raxxxx inwhat could u list as negative things as being a jw/ex jw for example when u were growing up etc that still affext u now?.
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what could u list as negative things as being a jw/ex jw for example when u were growing up etc that still affext u now?
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Pros about being a jehovah's witness
by raxxxx incan you personally think of any pros of being a jws?
anything that you have experienced that was and still is beneficial to you now from when u were a jw?.
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can you personally think of any pros of being a jws? anything that you have experienced that was and still is beneficial to you now from when u were a jw?
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doctrine of JWs, scriputes and apostates... your opinion.
by raxxxx inwhat -in your opinion - are the most crucial and important scriptures to you that condradict/don't agree/are against/are ignored by jehovah's witnesses?
post as many as you wish!
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what -in your opinion - are the most crucial and important scriptures to you that condradict/don't agree/are against/are ignored by jehovah's witnesses? post as many as you wish! :)