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  I left a Jehovah's Witness in a quandry.

  by orangefatcat in

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  a couple of days ago i was coming home from church, in the afternoon, upon entering the building i saw one on of my neighbours sitting in the foyer, she also attends the same church as i do.

  i felt as if someone was behind me and i looked up to see and i was right there was a person and she was a jehovah's witness.

  she attended the same hall as i did but a different cong.

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  orangefatcat

  AM I Paranoid or just plain crazy????????????

  Orangefatcat, Get real.
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  I left a Jehovah's Witness in a quandry.

  by orangefatcat in

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  a couple of days ago i was coming home from church, in the afternoon, upon entering the building i saw one on of my neighbours sitting in the foyer, she also attends the same church as i do.

  i felt as if someone was behind me and i looked up to see and i was right there was a person and she was a jehovah's witness.

  she attended the same hall as i did but a different cong.

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  I have this gut feeling that this saga isn't over. I think Sis. P... will somehow find me and say how dare you you pit bull how dare you tell your neighbour my husband is a pedophile and then I will say I didn't say your husband was anything , I was just stating facts that have made themselves available to the media and interenet and former JW's who worked in the WTS legal department revealed to the televison show Dateline , so it is public record. and also the WTS has paid millions in lawsuits to victims of those who were sexually molested in any way.

  . I can just see the snarl and the eyes bugging out like a dragon breathe coming at me and I will just say I don't know why your getting so worked up about this because all I told my neighbour was the truth.

  And their ain't nothin she can do about it. cuz Iz a meanist koolizt katz in town.

  Lately I have been standing up to the witnesses and they don't like it.

  Quick head for the hills shes coming after me with her broom stick and tommy gun.

  Orangefatcat
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  Not afraid anymore and it feels great

  by mac n cheese in

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  i guess i should mention my/our status these days first:.

  i've posted sporadically here, but have been a voracious reader of all of your wonderful posts.

  spouse and i are almost inactive now.

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  That is wonderful news. Yes right now it is baby steps. Yes putting outside lights up might just get you in a tad of difficultly with the elders and having parties and fun is great and what they don't know won't kill them.

  Just think though when the two of you are completely out and you can put up a ton of lights and have a grand time without being in fear. And isn't it true that FEAR is the very TOOL the WTS counts on to keep JW's in line. That is why disfellowshipping will never cease to exist as it is their one line to keep the witnesses in tow.

  The next TOOL is GUILT and they are experts at making witnesses feel guilty for everything, you don't get out in the service enough you don't get to the meetings even if your deadly ill, your made to feel guilting if you aren't prepared for meetings, Your made to feel guilty if you don't get to book study, your guilty if you don't pray enough. Everytbing is a mind game to the elders and the organization. They have catch phrases to make you feel like a heel. they know what buttons to push they've been doing for over 125 years. And there is no longer any human feelings of love for one another, everyone can't wait to get home from the meetings , service, studies. Like really who wants to go to all those meetings and service. The witnesses have virtually no life. They are not to have fun if they do they will get a stern lecture from the CD or the CO. It is not a happy organization of people anymore. Oh they say they are, but ask them to search deeply into their hearts and I just bet they would find most don't want to be witnesses.

  Their other TOOL is CONTROL, this is where you are reeled in your used as bait you can't think for yourself any longer, you must adjust your mind set to that of the WTS and the GB. Remember they say they are God's spirited channel for directing JW/s. in this day and age, My how they presume so much. Where does Jesus and the Holy Spirit come into the picture. Slowly over time you don't even know it but they have got you hook line and sinker and you don't even know it. Your not allowed to think for yourself you can't do research over and above the WTS literature and even then it is somewhat limited. You are to follow the directions of the faithful and discreet slave. You can't think they make errors as they are God's prophets on earth. Heaven help us if they make another prediction of the worlds end. They have enough egg on their face already.

  I really beleive that the WTS is not really run by the GB anymore. I believe it is run by younger men and that the whole format of the WTS is run by legal eagles and that the selling off of property in Brooklyn is to help pay for millions of dollars in lawsuits. They honestly belief that we are their enemies but we are not they are their own worst enemy. They will crumble under their own feet as it were. How can they honestly fool God and think they can get away with it. How can everyone of JW's be duped into believing that they alone have sole rights to eternal life and no other persons on this planet are worthy. Give me a break.

  You have no reason to FEAR because you know that they are no different from anyone else in fact they are worse because they kept their secrets hidden hoping they would just go away. I don't think so. They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar just too many times lately and it is going to be their own downfall. Apostates have nothing to do with their own failure as a religous organizaton who has failed its people with lies, hypocrisy, and other terrible atrocities. Apostates didn't do what they have done we only showed people with honest hearts that the WTS doesn't have the true faith and that they blame everyone else for their mistakes and think they are above the law, as they are finding out it isn't all that easy anymore.

  Orangefatcat.
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  Favorite Christmas movie

  by poppers in

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  although not a strictly "christmas" movie it has to be little women with winona ryder.

  i recently saw the katherine hepburn version a few days ago and it was ok, but this one is really wonderful, with great music.

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  Hands down it is none other than "A Christmas Carol" aka Scrooge, 1951 version with Alistar Sims, he is the best actor I have ever known to play the best Scrooge of all time.

  I only enjoy it in its original format Black and White.

  my second most favourite Chrismas Storys is, "Its A Wonderful Life" James Stewart , and Donna Reed, and all the fantastic actors including Clarence the angel who hasn't got his wings yet. Ed Wynn. He is also a great entertainer of his time.

  Home Alone I and 2 are third

  Miracle on 34th Street.

  White Christmas

  Oh hell I love every Christmas movie made. I am such a sentimental mush melon.

  love

  Orangefatcat stop telling storys you know our favourtie one is Scrooge now say your sorry or I will never meowwww at you again.

  Okay I am not sorry oops I mean I am sorry Orangefattycat.

  Terry
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  I left a Jehovah's Witness in a quandry.

  by orangefatcat in

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  a couple of days ago i was coming home from church, in the afternoon, upon entering the building i saw one on of my neighbours sitting in the foyer, she also attends the same church as i do.

  i felt as if someone was behind me and i looked up to see and i was right there was a person and she was a jehovah's witness.

  she attended the same hall as i did but a different cong.

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  You see what I love about this is, once this witness recalls who I am she will hit the ceiling. And when my friend from the building asks why her husband was disfellowshipped she is going to go bonkers. Only a hand full of people know this about him.

  I have visions of her showing up at my door with a hammer to bop me in the head for having ruinning her chances with my friend. I have that dateline show on a video tape now I just have to wait until I find to wooden bookcases to take my movies out of storage and then I will let my friend watch it.

  I am sure she will be shocked as when I told her about the pedophilia in JW's because she said the witness told her JWs are loving and kind and care and have great love for one another, and they do this and that and she left out the best part they mess with your innocent children. I know it upset my friend and I have the feeling she will just tell the witnesses not to come to her home again.

  Once upon a time this sisters husband brought me some money to the gas station as my credit card was turned down and I called my ex and I told them you better come up with a solution real fast or they are going to call the cops. So my ex called this wife's husband and I really never liked him and I didn't know why but know why but now I do. You know how some peoples eyes are cold and stare almost through you well that is the kind of eyes that her husband has. He gave me the creeps But he did come to the gas station to cover the cost of gasoline and when I got home my ex made me so mad I said why didn't you make the credit card payment and he always had some lame excuse.

  The girls he molested are ruined for life and he just sits in the hall like he is the best thing since creation. And I was told Sunday that he is the oldest witness in the cong. well who cares. He has destroyed families and girls now women and they live it every day of their lives while he sits there like nothing ever happened.

  Orangefatcat is seeing Red...

  yuck.

  orangefatcat
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  Wow, you're still here... Hi...

  by Bryan in

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  i thought the sit eclosed by now.... .

  i just wanted to stop by and wish everyone a merry christmas.

  i've been very busy in the stream of child abuse.

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  Hi Bryan how sweet of you to pop in and wish us all a Merry Christmas and I want to do the same to you wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy NewYear.

  Looks like you've been pretty busy. Simon is working on having the other site and running soon. We can stilll use our same avatars and other information. It is JWN. Kind of like a sister site.

  Again Bryan don't be shy drop in again and again

  Orangefatcat

  Terry and a Happy New Year
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  I left a Jehovah's Witness in a quandry.

  by orangefatcat in

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  a couple of days ago i was coming home from church, in the afternoon, upon entering the building i saw one on of my neighbours sitting in the foyer, she also attends the same church as i do.

  i felt as if someone was behind me and i looked up to see and i was right there was a person and she was a jehovah's witness.

  she attended the same hall as i did but a different cong.

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  A couple of days ago I was coming home from Church, in the afternoon, upon entering the building I saw one on of my neighbours sitting in the foyer, she also attends the same church as I do. I felt as if someone was behind me and I looked up to see and I was right there was a person and she was a Jehovah's witness. She attended the same Hall as I did but a different cong. But she knew us. Well I couldn't remember her first name so next best thing is I call her Sister P........ she responds and says hello back. I know she is grinding her brain to know who I am she can't remember. They depart up stairs and I go into my apt. I am dying to know what the witness asked my friend.

  The next day, my neighbour is sitting again in the foyer and she says to me Terry, you know that JWs lady she was really trying very hard to know who you were. I told her that you go to St Paul's Anglican Church. but was confused because you addressed here as sister P.... and who in a Church would know to call her a sister. She felt it just didn't add up.

  So then I said oh she knows me very well and as soon as she hears my name she'll remember me right away even though it has been nearly 10 years. I proceeded to tell my neighbour that I too had been one of JWs for 38 yrs. She was amazed. She asked me why did I leave so I explained to my neighbour why I am no longer a JW that I was disfellowshipped, She was familiar with these words so I gathered that she was studing for many months. I explained to her that JW's organization is a dangerous religous cult. They have been exposed recentley for keeping their mouths shut when they knew that there 23,000+ cases of pedophilia in the congregations of JWs that have been kept hush hush. Many of the witness families were threatened by the WTS to keep their mouths shut, they were told not to go to the authorities. But that was so stupid, of course parents went to the police

  . You see the GB didn't realize that children grow up and when they do they speak up about things that they were forced not to tell as children for fear of their life or that of their families. What an huge mistake as I also told my friend that Sister P...'s husband had been disfellowshipped a few times for pedophilia, mu friend could have fallen off the chair when I told her that. I said they had to leave an assignment in another country because he committed it in that assigned territory and also when he moved back to this area. I told her that the congregations are never informed about it, they have no idea that a sexual sadist is among them in the KH and so some parents trust their children to these people and sometimes abuse starts of subtlely and just a touch here and there and they promise the kids treats and win their confidence and then they go in for the kill and that is what no parent in a cong. knows about it. Now lets say if the child tells his parents about it. Then the parents approach the person who acted in this way, the pedophile could say no I didn't your child is making this story all up just to get attention. I said to her, well children first of all don't just make up stories like this in the first place and then the elders in the K H ask the child was there another person there with you and that brother. If the child says no, then the case is closed . Because as far as the WTS is concerned that if there are not two witnesses to this act of sexual molestation and perversion then the accused is free to go. There is always the side chance that the pedophile may admitt to it, but not in most cases. Now that is just plain SICK..

  Well my neighour was flabberghasted, she said that is just terrible, I said to her that is not all, that is just the tip of the ice berg, I said I am begging you not to get involved with them. I reminded her of my 38 years again and why I left.

  I also mentioned to her if per chance she were to become a witness and were to do an act that required disfellowshipping you any family that are witnesses could not speak to you any more unless you repent according to the WTS and if you don't you lose all your friends too. One moment they are your best and dearest friend and if you want to see a pack of wolves just do something wrong scripturely and then they dispise you and hate you and will never speak to you again. Is this the Love that our Lord Jesus Christ taught us. And also on forgiveness how many times do we forgive our brother, 7 times no but 77 times and if we follow that law of natural love we would never abandon our loved ones even if they did something wrong.

  Then she says to my Terry I just wanted a bible study and they offered, I said sure and at first they act like your best friend do things for you and help you in every way and then they start a study with you and if they don't see you destroying your crosses and icons then they will start using more stern and adament words like Jehovah says it is wrong to worship the cross and icons, she says I don't worship the cross Iworship God. She says that lately they are giving her a difficult time about her religious items. She told sister P that she isn't going to get rid of them you can't change how I feel and I just wanted to study God's word and here you are telling me I have to do this and that. So Sister P when she comes back again is in for a rude awakening in many ways and I told my friend to tell the witness that what my name is and as soon as she hears it she will flip out and then when she finds out what I told you she will freak out completely.

  but I sure enjoyed telling my neighbour all the juicey details about the witnesses and she has decided to tell the witnesses not to call on her again.

  Yabba dabba dooooooooooooo

  Orangefatcat
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  The JW Dress Code

  by sacolton in

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  for the brothers .... suit jacket and pants must always match as part of a complete suit.sport jacket and slacks not permitted.shoes must be polished (i had to go home and change shoes once).shirt should be white or close to white (i.e.

  no dark colored dress shirts).do not wear bright colored suits or suits with more than one color (not including pin stripes).tie should not be bright colored or have too many colors.pants should have cuffs (this was recommended, not a rule).suit jacket must be buttoned up at all times (although you may wait until you begin speaking to button up your jacket).never put your hand in your pocket, even for one second.legs must be close together (his exact words were "do not have a horse stance").heels must be together but toes should be slightly apartif you are holding a microphone, the microphone must be point just above the chin, not at the mouth.if you are holding a microphone, do not put the other hand in your pocket (i cannot stress this enough, they will get you for this).do not lean on the lectern (podium, pulpit).whew!

  strict dress-code guidelines straight from the presiding overseer.

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  Good grief, since when is it up to the organization what a person wears so long as it is appropriate.? People aren't dummies. Yet the WTS forever treats their people as if they were.

  Placing so much emphasis on this dress code is ridiculous. So long as you neat clean and the colours don't clash and shoes are shined and hair is neat what have they got to bark about.?

  Now with respect to witnesses women, this has been a bond of contention within the organiztion. Young ladies seem to think it is okay to where what ever they wish and wear as much make up as they please. I have attended many a convention and seen many women that look like they are hookers. It is disgusting. I am no prude okay. However there is a time and a place for that attire and a convention isn't that place. I have seen many times young witness women have lovely skirts on and below the knee and then all of a sudden they whirl around and my goodness there is a slit all the way up to their waist. If exposes their undies, to me this is a shear distraction, and they are there to listen to the program and you know that they are there to see what brothers they can snag; I know I am not wrong on this I have witnessed it many times.

  I think the WTS should ease up on womens dress codes. Many a women looks fabulous in dress suits. I have often wanted to buy myself a pin stripe business suit and I wear ties, I own many varieties. Most of them are cartoon characters. I have two Christmas ties. I would love a big mickey mouse christmas tie. Or a bugs bunny or the road runner and willie coyote . I see these items as fun attire. I think if a women dresses smartly she should be able to wear a nice pair of pants and a matching blouse with perhaps a vest and sport jacket or blazer. Many women look very smart in this attire. I know I do. I wear pants to Church. God is more interested in what in your heart not what your wearing as long as it is modest. High slits and deep V cut tops don't honour God.

  No the WTS prefers you to go to the meetings and in the service with uncomfortable attire, wear dress shoes, skirts blousses and lousy nylons or panty hose, they use to make my legs blister and bleed and everyday after service I would sit and cry and have to put a zinc cream on just to get some relief. One day I woke up and said I am not going to wear panty hose for no one and if the brothers don't like it I will quit pioneering. So they said nothing to me about and then evenutally all the sisters stopped wearing panty hose and I felt terrific that the sisters followed suit

  When I was pregnant with my son, I had a suit I bought it was pants and a top and I didn't care what anyone said to me at the kingdom hall even the brothers I was prepared for any onslaught. So I wore them to the KH and not one person said anything to me not even a elders. So I would say under some circumstances I would allow sisters to wear pants. Oh yes and in the winter when it was so bitter cold in Quebec, I woud wear pants and then put a skirt over top of the pants and not one elder ever said two word s to me, if they had I would tell them that they should go out in the service in a skirt and see how fast they would freeze.

  I was a little rebel I know but I did make many valid points with out ever uttering a word.

  Orangefatcat
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  How Life Can Change

  by Sunspot in

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  i don't come by here very often any more (trying to wean myself away from this board in anticipation of when we cannot ever post any more.

  in the last couple of years, and leaving this mess in jesus' hands, things have not only begun to emerge as "fixable", but have most definetely been fixed at long last.

  i was invited to the youngest grandchild's (of this son) sweet 16 birthday party last summer and i teared up when i realized that this was the first birthday party of all three of these grandchildren that i had attended.. we have been invited to thanksgiving dinner ( for the fourth year) with our whole family and that of my dil's family (she is one of seven) and to spend a few days at christmas at another son's home.

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  SunSpot Yes it is so true how a life can change after the WTS, and it can be the most marvelous life possible. If only others could see beyond the WTS but fear keeps them in that locked position don't stray or else you'd become like the apostates. I don't think apostates are wicked in any way, we are free thinkers and have to see that the WTS is an oranization full of corruption. It has been proven and we don't need to be reminded of it either we see it all the time now, the witnesses are in the news and in papers, and internet and the Society can't hide forever. I would say that for those of us out of the organization our lives have had a positive change and the rest are still struggling with change. A lot in the org. struggle with just being different or excepting constant changes in different policies. And some witness are terrified to leave for fear God will strike them down at any given moment. What kind of existance is that? Fear Factor 101. My life change has been fantastic, no regrets, I never once looked back and said to myself why don't you go back Terry. No way no how . Not ever. I am free of them. I am a devote Christian I try each and everyday to walk as he would want me to walk and if I make a mistake I ask for forgiveness and pick up and start over, knowing that I have Christ's as my personal saviour. I don't know why some witnesses stay witnesses if it makes them miserable, I don't fathom that at all. Yes I do know why I stated the reason already it is the fear factor. the ultimate rejection of family and friends. how very sad a reason to stay in a cult. Orangefatcat
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  Hello to all who knew me...

  by Joyzabel in

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  as i sit here addressing my xmas cards for this year and think of all the people who have helped me on my jouney this past 7 years and especially the past 3, i thought i would post a thread letting people who knew me know how i am and what i have been up to this past year.. .

  it will soon be 2 years since i moved from florida to atlanta, ga. even though it was going back to full time work, i love my job and am glad i have one.. .

  i acknowledge that my therapy has helped me to get my mind untangled from being raised in a high control group and from being married to an alcoholic.

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  Wow, Joy how are you girl? So good to see your post. It has been ages since I have seen you post now I know why, you very busy, happy fun loving person. Are you sure you can stand all that happiness Joy? I am so happy for you. You are one person I miss in here. You know what last Christmas I sent you a card and it was returned and now I see why you have moved. I wish I had the bodily strength to do just a portion of what you can do. But that is not going ever happen, but I am thinking of returning to the swimming pool. I have moved to, at the end of April I moved into Assisted Community living. or ACL I have my own large apartment and live independently however I have Personal care workers who clean my apartment and do my laundry, help with meal prep. I have three suppers in a dinning room a week,. Some wks it is four times a wk. They help with personal care showers and helping with dressing and take garbage out or anything I may need assistance where they remind you of your medications appointments . So it is a very good service and a big help to me. And I also have lifecall emergency response service. That is if i should fall or injure myself in anyway, Living alone now I need in case the nurse or workers can't get to me fast enough. I am not sure if you knew or not that I remarried in Greek god, :) just kidding his name was Marco,and we had a fantastic life together and last July he passed away. I miss him terribly. But I have moments of joys and tears, laughter when I think of him. And many wonderful memories. I know he is in a far better place and out of pain. That is all that matters is that he is no longer suffering. It is so good to see you in here for a visit. I wish you all the success in the world Joy and may your Christmas be filled with many blessing and may you have a Happy New Year and that 2009 brings your wonderful things. God Bless, Orangefatcat Terry