Posts by out4good3

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I believe the WTS has God's spirit

by Leander in

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.....although in a very small amount.

in fact i beleive that many religions today have a measure of god's spirit.

the more i take time to really meditate and think about the bible and the world that we live in, it becomes more apparent to me that it would'nt make sense for god to destroy honest people simply because they are not associated with the wts.

out4good3

One last note my wife and I are getting together really well. Over the last few days we've made an incredible breakthru in our relationship, I really feel close to her again and I know she feels the same.

Another happy ending to a decision that had the potential to go horribly wrong. I congratulate you on getting through that without your wife running you through the wringer as mine did. I wish I had the benefit of this site and the advice given here when I made my break. I just couldn't put into words the feelings I had at the time. I can now and like I've said before, on th point on the WT, we agree to disagree.

It sounds like you and your wife are well on your way to having an even closer relationship based upon mutual respect for each others individuality as opposed too trying to fit into the JW boxed mindset. As far as your mother is concerned, the best way to show her your new true self is by deeds and not bowing to the whims of the "old men in Brooklyn."

Congratulations

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My sister-in-law disowns my kids

by lv4fer in

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last night my sister-in-law asked my kids why they haven't been attending meetings.

she cornered them individually.

she asked my son and he said no he has not been attending meetings and that he has been doing some research and that he didn't believe it was the truth.

out4good3

She cornered them individually.

Sorry that I'm posting late on this th read but a t hought just occured to me that h aven't been said. Just where does this lady get off by cornering anyone else's kids individually and pronouncing them "dead" for not going to their stupid meetings.

You're a lot nicer than I would've been about it. She deserved to have her ass rudely promptly kicked to the curb.

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REACHING OUT: who needs it?

by mustang in

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here is something i've always wondered.

reaching out: who needs it?

it is a trap, as if the rest wasn't.

out4good3

Things to "Reach Out" for....

Jumping up and down out of your seat to change the position of the microphone everytime a there is a change of speakers

Running around the KH holding a microphone in front of people listening to canned answers all night.

Passing out litter-ature.

Ensuring that the appropriate KH melody is queued up. (should be pretty tough since they're on CD now)

Ushering people to their seat (preferably up front where almost no one but the die-hards want to be) before the meeting starts.

Guiding cars into appropriate parking spaces in the lot.

Watching the parking lot. (Wouldn't want anyone posting apostate literature on automobiles)

Reading the bookstudy assignments.

Ensuring that the congregation lawn is properly mowed or otherwise cared for.

Yes. This fine provision the FDS (not feminine deodorant spray) have laid out for you is not too be missed for the truly sprirtual minded who seeks to make a career in their ministry. Do all these things, without question, while simultaneouslypreparing for and making all the meetings including going out in service and you'll, with divine willing Of course, rise to the position of Elder, then PO, then CO, then DO. With the potential contacts you make you could possibly rise to a level of position in the "Star Chamber" itself, the Governing Body.

Try hard enough and they may even let you have some of their crusty bread and cheap wine the one time a year they serve it.

........rolling eyes.......BBelllcccchhhing.........

Whatever !!!!!!!!

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Met Leander Today&Experience w/ family

by Reborn2002 in

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just thought i would post this experience for the jw.com board.. today was the first time i actually met someone from this website, and oh what an interesting time it was.. seeing as in how leander and i live only a matter of minutes from one another, after talking on the phone for several weeks, we finally arranged to meet.. leander's personal experience leading him to write a formal letter to his local congregation last week has sparked a flurry of events for him in recent days, and i felt obligated as a person to try and support him through his process.. possessing a vast library of wtbts literature dating back well over 50 years, i was able to show him in person the contradictions so readily apparent within their articles, and demonstrate how time and again the jw-sect have wavered back and forth, hither and thither on doctrine allegedly inspired by the very hand of god.. it was a very fruitful experience, but this is where it gets interesting.. trying to determine an acceptable place to sit down and go over the documents.. his place was rendered impossible because his hardcore, loyal jw wife and her family were at his home.

being a saturday, the library was closed, and with a literal totebox full of books (well over 40lbs) and brochures, anywhere else public such as a bar or bookstore (can you imagine walking in with a totebox of books?

) was not logical.

out4good3

Great looking out for Leander that way. I've been keeping up with his story as he have time to post and I know what he's going through. You've given him a first hand look at what REALLY motivated JW's. Not love, but slavery to a book publishing organization.

I can imagine that the time he spends in his house is very tense now and I completely understand that he probably doesn't have a spare moment alone to post anything about how it's going. And his hardcore JW wife's relatives are most likely constantly there to lay on a heavy dose of "guilt tripitus". I hope he hangs tough.

Good luck getting out on your own. I know you'll be much happier.

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How long did you study prior to becoming a JW?

by Cassiline in

some questions, if they have been asked before, i have not seen the thread.. how long did you study with a witness, before you entered the jw .

religion, how long before being baptized?.

( i was raised in the "truth" and baptized at 16.).

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Don't know how long a typical study/brainwashing goes on these days but I remember studying, errrr......... being brainwashed for about a year before baptism. We then moved to a different book (I don't remember the name) before he handed me off to a recently reinstated brother. At least, I think he was recently reinstated because I hadn't seen him around the KH before. In any case since I was baptised the elder made clear that he had no more use for me.

My wife on the other hand studied various books with those same pioneer sisters some two years after I was baptised. By the time they got around to dropping her as a study, I'd already seen enough and was making my way out.

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The "barf" Bethel visit

by Yadira Angelini in

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my jw daughter came over monday to tell me all about her visit to bethel!.

first, she said how happy she felt and so very emotional when they took them, (a group of 8) to where the "twelve goberning body" held their meetings.

she said: "mom, i got to see where they sit!".

out4good3

Your tact is to be commended. Awesome!!!!

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Circuit Overseers Are Monitored- Confirmed

by metatron in

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this fact appeared as a rumor on this board some time.

ago.

i can confirm it, as i once saw it with my own eyes.. a c.o.

out4good3

If I was a single brother I would (as I stated earlier) try and progress right to the top and gain the trust of the organization to expose everything I could.

Don't we already have the benefit of one who's done just that. Ray Franz.....Crisis of Conscious.........????? HELLO !!!!!!!

The WT hasn't changed from they were some 20 years ago. The core elements are still there, just reorganized in legal mumbo jumbo. They're like the singer Madonna, always repackaging themselves but basically spewing the same ole s***.

Staying inside and torturing your conscious only to make a grand exit when you've perceptively reached the top sounds good on paper especially when you're suggesting someone else do it, but what about the life and time wasted by the person actually subjecting themself to such a course. The trade off would be negligible, the gain short term at best. Just look at what they're doing to Bowen and gang. With the WT propaganda machine running full steam for the borg, no matter how long you were in or what you've accomplished for them, character assination would be the order of the day for most members.

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Why do the 'friends' believe Elders over Experts

by FriendlyFellaAL in

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this is something i've been wondering about lately due to personal experiences.

my mother and stepfather (she's a jw, he is not) have been having some marital problems of late and instead of seeking out the advice of a marriage counselor or some similar specialist in the field, they have chosen to seek help through one of the elders in her congregation.

i'm completely surprised by this, yet i know i shouldn't be.

out4good3

It's been my experience with every elder I'd ever talked to when I was a member of one of their hives that the only advice they were equipeed to give anyone is more study, more prayer, more service, etc.. As if placing\selling that one more magazine for them would be the catalyst for solving any problem.

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Why do the 'friends' believe Elders over Experts

by FriendlyFellaAL in

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this is something i've been wondering about lately due to personal experiences.

my mother and stepfather (she's a jw, he is not) have been having some marital problems of late and instead of seeking out the advice of a marriage counselor or some similar specialist in the field, they have chosen to seek help through one of the elders in her congregation.

i'm completely surprised by this, yet i know i shouldn't be.

out4good3

[quote]He had a very humble attitude and flat out told me, "I'm not properly equipped to handle XXX issues. But there is a lady in our congregation that is a licensed therapist[\quote]

If you hold your breath waiting for an answer like that from any of those goons you're in for a rude awakening. Egotism and self-absorbed interest is the order of the day for those knuckleheads.

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Well today is the day that I leave the WTS

by Leander in

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this morning i told my wife about my decision to step down as a ms and that i also would'nt be attending any meetings.

she made a few comments that i expected her to make, but strangely enough she was for the most part very silent.

she made it clear that she was against the decision but outside of a few other comments she said very little.

out4good3

Leander

I've been following your story with great interest. Congratulations on your newfound independence. I've already recounted to you the hell they put me through on the way out, and I wasn't even a MS. I'd like to comment on a few things.

We women are great talkers. We love to talk things thru.........remind her that she is pushing you to talk about things that you feel would be better left unsaid

I took this tact with my wife and it didn't work even in the short run. Actually it only encouraged her "all the more so" to coin a phrase. Understand that in their self-assured arrogance, they feel that they can counter or that there is a logical excuse for anything the society does.

I had one meeting with them afterwards.They threw the "do you believe its Jehovahs' organization" question at me.

Ahhh...the old "are you wit us or agin us" question. All or nothing. I suspect that answering this question with anything other than an emphatic YES has gotten many a person disfellowshipped when in fact all they wanted was control of their life back. But JW needs to pin that label on you to keep the flock towing the line.