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  A little history on the Bible

  by gumby in

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  2. bible

  it's always intresting to hear the answers you get from people about how and when the bible was formed.

  many minds go only as far as believing it was simply a compilation of god ordained books that we have to this day.

  below is just a small bit of information that many may not be familiar with.

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  pamkw

  Thanks for starting this thread gumby. This is one subject I have been really interested in. I am going to check out all the sites. I have always thought the Bible a little to confusing to really be from God.

  Thanks again.

  Pam
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  WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

  by iiz2cool in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

  she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

  it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

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  I took a look at my mother's copy. They start talking about sex and demons on page 65 and keep it up off and on all the way through the book. It is really sick. I hadn't read to page 170 until I saw this post. My sister has been reading it to her daughter and our neices who are 7 and 6. I told my sister in law to put a stop it, that it is really an awful book. Of course, my mother (the grandmother) bought back a book for each of them. She knew better than to give one to my son. Another generation will grow up living in the same fear that I did.

  Pam
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  Did you ever feel guilty when you went out in service?

  by micheal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm speaking not about yourself, but for the houeholder.

  i would say for about the last 1.5 yrs before i left i didn't want to give a "good witness".

  one because i didn't completly believe in it and two, i didn't want the householder to live the same misery i and most others were living.

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  I just went through the motions of going out. I knew those people at the door were probably happy with what they knew, and I was sure they were happier than I was. Plus, I just hated going out during holidays. I would just walk down the street, and we would mark all of them not at home, unless we could tell there was no one home, then we would go to the door. I always felt like such a pest.

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  An Open Invitation

  by DJ in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there's an open invitation to all who would like to attend the annual convention in the mountains of pennsylvania for xjw's!

  it books rather quickly and will be held on october 17-19th, fri.- sun.

  there are accomodations on the grounds of the blue mountain christian retreat and they are very inexpensive.

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  pamkw

  I went a few years ago, and it was okay. The resort is beautiful, but I really didn't like the convention itself. Too many tables selling stuff, and to much preachy, preachy. Plus all the exjw ministries were fighting amoung themselves about the trinity of all things. I would never go again.

  Been there done that, never going back.

  Pam
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  Do You Have the "I Was Just A Publisher" Mentality?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  .....and that's why i hate, dislike, can't stand, anyone that used to be an elder???

  ..........after reading so many "bad elder" stories, i can understand why some might feel that they were just one of the rank-and-file and were treated poorly vs. someone like an elder that could have authority and try to intimidate those that they felt they could push around.

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  I always had the I don't need a man making my decisions for me attitude. It really pissed off my uncle and brother in law, who both told me that they would help me make decisions for my son, since I didn't have a head. I have a fine head all my own ,and I didn't need to borrow theirs. They both told my mom the same thing, they would help her with spiritual matters since her husband was not a jw, and so she did not have a head.

  If you were an unmarried woman in the org, you might as well have been a piece of furniture. It took me a long time build my self-esteem. (Now I have too much, lol) It made me so mad. Men (elders and others) were always trying to tell me where to work, or what to do with my kids, because I must not be very smart, I didn't have a man.

  My totally independent attitude is probably why I am single today. I would love to have someone to share my life with, but I will not give up who I am to any one.

  Pam, no longer a headless woman
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  Lurkers! Stop Blaiming Satan For Your Own Problems!

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  where would jehovah's witnesses be if they couldn't blame all their problems on the devil?.

  maybe they would be forced to confront --- finally--- their own foolishness!.

  case in point: i had a nice chat with sister a. in which i expressed my deepest sympathy for her tired daughter,.

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  Exactly cruzan, that is the part I rebelled against so much as a kid. My mom would say it doesn't matter if we are happy now, we will be happy in the new order. Please, I always wanted to know why I couldn't be happy now. My mom has a horriable life, and does nothing to stand up for herself. She is still waiting. I asked her the other day, how she could still hang on after 30 some years. Her answer, there are older ones who have waited 60 or more years. When I asked, and what has it gotten them, she changed the subject. A whole life time wasted, and she seems to like that way.

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  Disctrict conventions and hot days

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as far as i can remember, the district convention was always the last week of june or first week of july in my region.

  in either case it was always very hot out, and where we gathered for the convention it was always very hot there also.

  this year would have been no exception since it was in the upper 80's and lower 90's since a few days here.. i can remember a couple of times when the temperature inside the olympic stadium in montreal was about 90f.

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  Back in the early 70's when I was little, the conventions were always outside at some ball park or other, usually in Kansas City. We sweated and were miserable. I am a red head, I was always sunburned. Later they moved indoors and now they are all air conditioned. I can't believe the stuff we went through just because my mom couldn't miss an assembly. So glad I don't go anymore, air conditioned or not.

  Pam
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  "He will appear in the clouds" - YIKES!

  by Nathan Natas in

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  2. friends

  check this:.

  http://100megsfree4.com/farshores/p03face1.htm.

  i prefer pizza box apparitions myself.

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  Looks like someone smacked him in the nose. I could see eyes and a mouth and a big slash. Must have been in a heavenly brawl.

  Pam
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  How far does the shunning go for you, by your JW parents or children?

  by LyinEyes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my dad is a jw, trying to reach out to be an elder again......also pioneering.

  i saw my cousin , his nephew , the other nite at the dance club......i told him i havent seen my dad, nor heard from him in almost 2 years.

  he said he saw him a while back but that he heard he moved.. last time i talked to my dad, it was over me not going to the circuit assembly he was trying to get me to go to.

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  I was shunned in the past when I was df. That was before I had my children. My family does not shun me now, instead, I am the family scapegoat. Whenever my mom is mad at someone else she calls and trys to pick a fight with me. I caught on it that a long time ago, so I do not bite anymore. My family does not shun me now because the elders said I have been gone so long it is like I never was in. My sister tried to get me df when I first started attending a church. Now she and my non jw sister in law just talk bad about me all the time.

  My mom once told my oldest son that if I were ever df again, she would shun me, but not him. It made my son so angry, that yelled at his grandmother. Not something I was very happy about. I insist that my boys show her respect, even if I get none. So far she does talk to me, but I am always the last to know anything. And since they are all crazy, I prefer it that way.

  If I would ever find someone who wanted to share their life with me, I think I would hold off on introducing my relatives to him, say maybe until the 25th wedding anniversary. Wouldn't want him to take one look at my wacked out jw family and run.

  Pam
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  Doubting the Trinity and Paradise

  by ClassAvenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't doubt the trinity, but again i had a talk with one of my jw friends and he gave me several bible passages which he wants me to explain, most deal with the trinity, and others deal with the belief in heaven.

  he says that they show that jesus was less than his father, and was a separate person, and the others state that paradise will be here on earth.

  argument: how come no one has seen god, not even jesus?

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  pamkw

  to have so many folks following the same book and all of them walking away with a differnent meaning on the same issues is a sad commentary for someone who is supposed to be as gifted as god at giving directions

  Hey JT

  I have always wondered the same thing. If God is so smart and organaized what's with all the mystery. When I was really into be Christian I bought the whole trinity thing, figured I didn't understand it so I would take it on faith. And besides it was directly opposite of what I grew up believing so I was going to give it a chance.

  Now that I don't know what I am I don't care. And I am not even sure the Bible is for real so the Trinity is not that important.

  Pam