Posts by Phizzy

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147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

by neat blue dog in

during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

Phizzy

True Paley, but for PIMO's there is an opportunity to do what I did about a year before I left. This was over the membership of the Scarlet Coloured Wild beast or whatever they called the U.N.

I answered up and put it in such a way ( can't remember exactly what I said) that it appeared I was not accusing the G.B of telling Porkies, which they obviously were, but still highlighted the problem. I saw an expression of extreme doubt cross the Elder's mind as he evaluated my answer, and some in the audience looked uncomfortable, but he had to accept what I said. I hope I planted a seed or two !

PIMO's can do that, carefully phrased, with this stuff.

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Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

by idk123 in

hope you are all well,.

i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

Phizzy

We had a lovely young lady, baptized at around 15 years old, later went to Uni, at around 19 she had a meeting with the Elders and proved to their satisfaction she was pressured in to Baptism,and that she was mentally unstable at the time. She was self harming then.

They accepted her Baptism as invalid, and announced so at the K.H.

She left with a smile on her face, never to be seen at the K.H again, and able to have a normal relationships with her J.W family, including her grand parents. Result !

This was over 20 years ago, I would research thoroughly and see if something along these lines is still possible, and have you anything to lose by trying ? You are simply questioning the validity of your Baptism, not the religion and its teaching, so, build a case, and go for it. Good luck.

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Are JW's unknowingly part of a CULT?

by The Fall Guy in

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some points for awakening jw's to consider in 2020: .

"joining a cult: religious choice or psychological aberration" by dena s. davis.

some of the following characteristics are listed:.

Phizzy

If talking to a J.W I use an expression along the lines of " You are in an Authoritarian, Mind Control Group", let 'em argue their way out of that one !

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What Makes JWs Unique?

by neat blue dog in

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Phizzy

The " Remain neutral to Politics" is also questionable when Kingdom Halls were flying ( or displaying) the National Flag in one S.A Country. Admittedly, they were required to do so by law, but I think maybe back in the days of Rutherford perhaps, they would have made a stand against that.

Also " No Money Collections", maybe, strictly speaking, but they certainly "gather" as much money as they can lay their grubby hands on !

I notice in the MEME there is no mention of "unique" Doctrines, which of course it is difficult to claim they are truly unique, but their Blood Doctrine and 1914 Doctrine are pretty unusual in this day and age, they probably don't like to draw attention to those two, as both are easily refuted, and shown to be NOT " Bible based".

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If You Had The Choice To Live Anywhere In The World or Any State Where Would You Be?

by minimus in

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i do like the usa but winters suck!

florida has some charm but it gets brutal with heat and humidity.

california is too looney.

Phizzy

Thank you Fulano for that info. I was going to investigate my Tax position in Portugal, I will be much happier paying taxes to such a Government as theirs.

Bluesbrother, have you proof that I need to alter my view of the P.M and the Government, please ?

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Jesus is Yahweh......Titles applied to YHWH and Jesus in Old and N.T.......credit to Bill Cetnar

by krismalone in

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Phizzy

The Doctrine of the Trinity was very late in developing, it is certainly not found in any form in the N.T that does not require a huge stretch. Its development/evolution was probably spurred on by a desire to accommodate Greek Philosophical thinking.

It was never a huge part of the early thinking of the various Jesus sects as far as I can see, not even the Gnostics.

Ideas of an incipient doctrine of the meaning of the Divinity of Jesus , as the two being "one" can maybe seen in very late works like The Gospel of John,( early 1st Century, maybe later) but again, it is a stretch to read in to the words that the Holy Spirit is Yahweh.

Were it a great truth, surely it would be unequivocally expressed in the N.T, and made a great part of the idea of how to gain " salvation" ?

I am no great enemy of the Doctrine from a philosophical point of view, and the Doctrine is nothing like the simplistic J,W explanation and " refutation" of it. As with many things, the J.W Org speaks of things of which it knows not.

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Excerpt from an interesting book ? ?

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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a deeply interesting read.. i have been reading: 'soul snatchers,the mechanics of cults' and i am finding it so precise in explaining /analysing cults.

here is a few lines:.

drug addiction and cult-membership have striking similarities.

Phizzy

I think this book makes an interesting link in the similarity between drug dependence and dependence upon a Cult, like the J.W's

A young guy I "studied" with, at the request of his father, as the young feller had just returned home having nearly killed himself with drugs, explained that the drugs alone were not what had a hold on him, it was the "culture", the "society", people he had thought of as friends, also "respect", as he was a Dealer.

The Cult communities, like the J.W's, Mormons, SDA's etc provide similar. "Friends", a different Culture, and often a boost to one's self worth.

As with the drug scene, these things have a hold beyond the drug itself, these being the teachings of the Cult, the hope of Everlasting life etc.

The young guy substituted the J.W's for the drug scene, but he still spiraled down mentally,too much damage done. He is now a psychotic wreck.

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Just a moan - regarding the latest trend in ignorance of the English language!

by The Fall Guy in

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in recent months i have noticed more and more people on the net (including here) are using this latest perversion of the english language -.

"i would of done this..........or he would of tried to change things".

it's would've - short for would have!.

Phizzy

I just file it all under " General Ignorance ", but that has the effect of me disregarding the full import of what people are trying to express, it makes their argument seem to lack weight, which is a shame, often such people have valid points to offer.

The ones who I really get annoyed with are those that are supposed to be professional Wordsmiths, on the T.V, or in Print, and a number of our Politicians in the U.K, one of whom cannot pronounce the word " Nuclear " , it becomes " Nucular". I won't have a go at Trump, English is obviously his Fifth language, after Balderdash, Nonsense, Waffle, Babytalk, and Utter Bollocks. Oh, that makes English his Sixth.

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If You Had The Choice To Live Anywhere In The World or Any State Where Would You Be?

by minimus in

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i do like the usa but winters suck!

florida has some charm but it gets brutal with heat and humidity.

california is too looney.

Phizzy

Mrs Phizzy and I just love Italy, especially the unspoilt Rural parts, or tourist free seaside ones. I have though, recently, been thinking seriously that we now need to move out of the crumbling U.K, the idiot electorate,mind controlled by the MSM, have just elected a Racist Prime Minister ( Bojo The Clown) heading a Racist, Xenophobic Right Wing Government, intent on ruining our economy and selling off our N.H.S.

I no longer wish to pay Taxes to such a Government, and so am considering Portugal. They have a Social Democratic Government, which has achieved wonders in just its first 4 years, they have a good climate, wonderful people and fascinating places to visit. Oh and good Wine !

Wish me luck !

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Vehicle manufacturers are ripping off UK drivers!

by The Fall Guy in

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vast numbers of vehicles sold in britain are sub-standard quality.

so many vehicle's indicators/turn signals only function when the steering wheel is turned to exit a motorway, overtake other vehicles, or to turn right or left at junctions.

more often than not, they just don't work at all!

Phizzy

They either never work, or stay on too long, when cars are negotiating a Roundabout.

It is bloody annoying if you are waiting to enter, where da cluck are these cars going to turn ? When they do work, they often stay on too long, and you think the car is coming round your bit, but no, although still indicating as though they are, they shoot off down the exit before you, by which time the next car, no indication, IS coming round your bit.

Without doubt a refund is required. Of course BMW, Audi and Merc. drivers have to watch a Video before they drive the new car away from the showroom, entitled," How to Drive like an Arsehole".