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  The famous liars

  by days of future passed in

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  i was talking with my sister and the subject of the wt using rahab as an exemplary example of theocratic warfare which is of course, lying.

  when the wt uses her, they fail to highlight the fact that she was a temple prostitute and an unbeliever when she "saved" the spies.. i said you know, the wt doesn't use the most famous liar as an example.

  that would be peter of course.

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  Phizzy

  Job was a woman of disrepute ? LOL.

  Of course all these stories are Fiction, as is Big J himself.
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Phizzy

  Bernie Sanders has said that Scientists should be in charge of the response to the Virus, and not Politicians, sensible !

  I would like to see this in the U.K, but fat chance methinks, Politicians see this as an opportunity for lots of underhanded stuff that they will get up to to get missed whilst the Public flap about it. And as an opportunity for them and their friends and donors to make money from it, especially Big Pharma etc.
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  Judaeo Christian religious practices may have actually come from ancient Egyptian religoius beliefs and practices

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  under close investigation of ancient middle eastern civilizations and their religoius beliefs and practices, there appears to be a connecting commonality derived from astronomical mythological beliefs.

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  as shown through the documentary zeitgeist it would appear that these ancient civilizations plagiarized mythological beliefs from an original source to use for their own individual means and purpose, the ancient egyptian mythological practices being the originating source.. the documentary zeitgeist brings forth some interesting thoughts.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ywr5tcjae.

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  Phizzy

  Finky, the Bible's "History" is 98.776943 % Fiction, or thereabouts.

  Moses and Aaron are fictional Characters, there was no Exodus from Egypt etc etc. and of course all of Judaism and subsequently Christianity can be traced back to what the Hebrews/Israelites absorbed from Egyptian and Canaanite religious beliefs and practices.
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  What triggered your awaking?

  by Fadeaway1962 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was listening to a radio show about a jw women who had been disfellowshiped , her daughter cut off all contact ,must admit at the time i thought so what.. then this man phoned up and explained he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws being ngo in the united nations during 90s till early 2000s when a newspaper exposed them , i still thought he's a apostate but looked it up found the article then found this forum and even more info..

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  Phizzy

  I was born in, became more and more interested in what the Bible really said, and one day decided to read the Book of Daniel with an open mind, got to Chapter 4, realised there was no way you could extrapolate from that the 2500 years that led to 1914, unless you were slightly bonkers.

  At that point the whole JW Org teaching collapsed like a House of Cards. No 1914= no choosing of an FDS in 1919= the GB are self-appointed charlatans.

  It wasn't long before I walked away for good, I gave an Elder the chance to come back to me and prove 1914, as he felt sure he could, he never came back.
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  My email to JW Following Trolley Conversation

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a few weeks ago i had an really interesting conversation with three male jws who were loitering around a trolley at the west end of princes street in edinburgh.. i managed to completely avoid giving any hint about my jw past and focussed on why they thought the bible was a reliable moral guide.

  i used the subject of slavery to illustrate my concerns.. one of the three was in his early twenties, knew a lot about his own beliefs but nothing about the real life and it was difficult to get through his thought-bubble.

  the second one was in his 60s and not very bright.

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  " I wonder if it still bugs Andrew? "

  I bet it does, even if he does what I did for many a year, sadly, which is to tuck such information and the conclusions it brought, right in to the depths of ones mind, but it is still there, and gradually builds up the feeling of mental struggle, which I now realise is Cognitive Dissonance.

  After many years this feeling got so strong and disturbing, and frankly depressing, that I allowed myself to open mindedly research On Line, I soon found some excellent resources, was amazed at how many people were troubled by the same things as me, and soon found this wonderful Site.

  I left the Org for good a few months later. Let us hope this happens to Andrew !
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  Warning Distressing Footage Relates to Genesis 19, Sodom & Gomorrah

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this week's meeting stresses god's justice and righteousness in destroying the "wicked" people of the above cities.

  we are told how patient and just big j was in this matter.

  finally with a regretful shake of his head, he dispenses justice .. gen 19:24 then jehovah made it rain sulfur and fire on sodʹom and go·morʹrah—it came from jehovah, from the heavens.+ 25 so he overthrew these cities, yes, the entire district, including all the inhabitants of the cities and the plants of the ground.+.

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  Who looked back to see the Pillar of Salt ? surely that person should have been zapped too ? or is it just a Myth ?
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  May WT study edition: full of king of North and South / Rusia

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jw.org is on collision course with russia.

  the may wt study edition is full of prophesy related to the time of the end and what we have read so much in isaiah and jeremia bookstudy publications.. they found their enemy again.

  jw.org needs enemy's to exist.

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  Phizzy

  They just have to find something to keep "The End is Sooooo Near" going in the JDumb's minds. They will no doubt keep having " adjusted understanding" of this "prophecy" every few years for that purpose as long as they exist.

  The Book of Daniel was fraudulent when written, pretending to be written centuries before it really was in the mid 2nd century B.C. There is nothing in the Bible that can be taken as applying to our Day, or any later time.

  No prediction in the Bible has ever come true in the terms expressed, and even " Daniel" got stuff wrong, though actually writing way after the events he was supposedly presenting as prophecy.

  Has any prediction of the JW org itself ever come true as they presented it either ? I struggle to think of one, yet "Jehovah" is whispering in their ear, we are told. Got a wicked sense of humour that Jehovah !
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  Expect 90% of pimi's to go down with the ship here's why

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been feeding my very pimi brother tidbits and clippings of all the csa issues coming to light the last five years and all the org's business dealings of hundreds of closed halls congs dissolving etc.

  and reminding him of all the failed prophecies etc etc.

  although he would listen and acknowledge.

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  Phizzy

  I had a long talk with my Elder Bro in law shortly after I had left, and his attitude came down to what was basically a " Pascals Wager" idea, he felt that even if they were wrong, he had hedged his bets, and lost nothing.

  I tried to reason that it was therefore a wasted life he was living, but that didn't get any reaction. Another Elder told me much the same, that he was quite prepared to find out that it was all wrong, and that this is in fact the only life we get.

  Over a decade later, they are both still in. I think with both of them, both well known in the wider JW community, all their kids and grand kids in, and both well known in the local "worldly" community, that Pride comes in to it, they will not admit they are wrong, and that they have wasted over 7 decades of life. Sad really.
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  Amazon Prime - Lorena (Bobbitt)

  by RandomUserName3500 in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  never knew there was a jw connection, but episode 1 clearly shows awake magazines.

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  Phizzy

  She might have kept them as emergency Toilet Paper !
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  NWT released in modern Hebrew

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on february 21, 2020, the wt society made the announcement in their website of the release of the new world translation in modern hebrew (hebrew scriptures - "tanakh") in haifa, israel.

  now, the complete nwt is available in modern hebrew.. some time ago, a poster here said that releasing (in theory, i.e.

  ) the hebrew bible in a modern version, such as the nwt, would be irrational.

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  Phizzy

  I wonder if this is a move to ingratiate themselves somewhat with the Israeli authorities, who do not look kindly on Sects coming to convert their people. They can claim it is " Bible Education" that they have provided for free to the Israeli people, giving them their Scriptures in their modern Hebrew that they can understand and read easily.

  Rubbish of course, they simply want converts, and then can claim that " Jehovah" has blessed their work, and get more donations from the gullible JW's who will see this as a wonderful thing.