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  Brainwashing left a stain

  by Fadeaway1962 in

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  hi one of my jw parents died recently of old age , after decades of brainwashing of the dead are just a sleep and if we are good we would see them again in paradise .. i fully understand now you have one life and should make the best of it but finding it difficult at the moment to get my head around it .. it's just a bit of a rant but your the only ones that i can try and express how i feel and be able to understand after the years of brainwashing how it affects my thinking process.. thanks for any help and advice..

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  Phizzy

  Welcome here Fadeaway1962 !

  First of all, I am very sorry for your loss, it hurts, both my JW Parents died in the last few years. Even though we were estranged because I walked away from the JW's, I still loved them dearly.

  I was born in, many decades ago, and stayed in for nearly six decades, so the Mind Control was strong in my case too. I used a number of methods to combat it, because it is multi-faceted. First, I decided that as I knew the JW Org had lied to me, I would lead a Facts and Evidence based life, facts and evidence that would bear any scrutiny. That blew all their Doctrines and teachings out of the window. All that lingered was feelings, first of distrust of what they call "worldly people", also of fear of Blood , and slightly, of Demons. These feelings were expunged by fact checking, and then by actively challenging them, by making friends with a good number of what I call normal people, by Donating Blood, and just doing many things, and saying many things JW's would disapprove of, with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle.

  I found that as time went by, all traces of JW thinking, and of JW personality faded away, totally. I am now the Real Me ! and happy with who and what I am.

  I hope this may be of help, ask away here, we are here to listen, and good luck !
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  When do the 2300 days begin?

  by Kosonen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

  to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

  that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

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  Phizzy

  I agree 100% with Jeffro. Good to see your post young feller ! You've been away for a while ?

  Also to be considered is that the Bible Book of Daniel is of the Genre that assumes a personal name for its title, pretends to be written Centuries before it was, is Apocalyptic,and is done that way to hide the Target, Antiochus. Quite a common genre in the Centuries BCE, and of course in the 1st and 2nd Centuries of C.E, Revelation for example.

  As Jeffro rightly says, to play about with numbers from such a source is just wrong, and IMO very silly. Also to join together Scriptures from Books written many years apart, to make a weird claim, is really no way to understand the Bible, and what it really is writing about.
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  What a wonderful time---for faders to fade away!

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve been thinking about it for a few weeks and i’m sort of surprised that no one else has introduced this topic!.

  what better time than now for a fader to fade?

  no meetings, no field service, no elder visits, no assemblies, no convention, and no other bullshit busy work going on.

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  Phizzy

  " .but boy, does it make it easier for the fakers, faders, and fence-sitters to finally fuck off. " I do hope so Vid ! I can see them going more On-line quickly, even after this crisis is over. They were moving more slowly that way, so as not to upset the older J.W's I guess. Some of the elderly ones I know still do not know how to use the Internet for themselves !

  Coupled with the normal laziness of Elders, and them then being able to say " Well, it is all on-line for them if they want it" it will make a Fade much easier, good !

  May the Exodus begin ! All of them are Welcome here !
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue Owners of FaithLeaks for Posting 74 Convention Movies

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-faithleaks-owners-over-convention-videos .

  https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/05/01/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-owners-of-faithleaks-for-posting-74-convention-movies/.

  the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, which oversees the jehovah’s witnesses, is suing the truth and transparency foundation and its founders ryan c. mcknight and ethan g. dodge alleging copyright infringement..

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  Phizzy

  I do hope the Org fails with this, I wonder how strong their case may be. Surely these films were available to members of the Public to walk in and watch at the time they were shown. I would have thought that a breach of Copyright would have to be based upon the person publishing making a Profit out of it. But I am not a Lawyer. It would be great to see the Org lose, and to see Costs fully awarded to Faithleaks !
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  2020-May-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  friends, atlantis is receiving so much stuff so quickly, it is hard to keep up with it all.. the 2020 may announcements and reminders just came in also.

  (s-147-e) in english and german.. if you want those just say so in the replies.. petra!.

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  Phizzy

  I received my E-mail, thank you very much!

  I do like to be, not just up to date, but ahead of the JW's with what is going on in their LaLa land. It is especially useful to me today, as I shall steel myself and contact some of my JW family later. Wish me luck, I shall need to be circumspect with how I reply to all the " End Times" rubbish I shall have to listen to !

  Thanks again,

  Phizzy.
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Phizzy

  The guy who swam through his Sheep Dip was certainly free of Ticks ! I guess it would have washed off the Flu' thing as well.

  As to Smoking, I did wonder when I heard that smokers seemed less affected, that if their Lungs are full of Gunk and Gunge the 'rona Virus may not be able to latch on so easily ? Who knows ?

  The danger is that a Smoker having a good cough up, not knowing the Virus has entered his or her body, will presumably expel more of the Virus than usually in to the Air.
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  Do the GB leaders of the JWS make its members delusionaly insane ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this particular question or evaluation of the people who are participating jws has come up before in debate.

  the more one deeply analyzes this the answer usually comes up in the affirmative yes.

  when you consider the fact that jws members will abandon their own family, go as far as kill themselves under the direction of these men, it really confirms just how deep the mental and conscious indoctrination these men have gone.. .

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  Phizzy

  Delusional, certainly, insane is probably a little strong, but as an attention grabbing word to use, and cause discussion , is a good choice.

  The problem is, that cutting through the Mind Control, and getting them to see the dangerous reality of their position, and that of their children, is beyond just difficult, it is well nigh impossible.
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Phizzy

  Here in the U.K the real death toll has been calculated as in excess of 40,000 (see the F.T) . The problem this terrible Government have, is that if they ease our partial and largely ineffective Lock Down, they will be held responsible for the subsequent deaths, which probably are more attributable to their previous total cock up in dealing with this from the start, but they don't wish to shoulder responsibility for any of it.

  They will probably ease it slowly, whilst urging " Social Distancing" in the vaguest of terms, and then blame the Public when it all goes Tits Up.

  The Tory supporting rabid Right Wing amongst us will still try to convince us they have " done the best in the circumstances", which is arrant nonsense.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Started By Christiandom

  by mrquik in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a little background first.

  my first father- in-law, levi peterson was born in 1889. he personally knew rutherford.

  he started the newark, ny congregation.

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  Phizzy

  A good argument mrquick ! of course the whole JW attitude to things Pagan is without logic, and is as usual hypocritical or perhaps at best, very inconsistent.

  Surely if Jehovah disagreed with things with a Pagan origin they should not use the names for the days of the week, even marriage itself is of Pagan origin, they did it first ! and a good number of things associated with a marriage ceremony, we all know about them choosing to ban confetti, but what about the Veil ? You and I could list plenty more I guess.

  The problem is that J.W's and Facts, Logic, Consistency and Honesty do not go together. Obviously their god Jehovah has the same lack of intellectual honesty, and lack of consistency, yet the Scripture tells them that he does not change ! The longer one is out of the Cult, the weirder it seems, but also it is very very SILLY !
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  Phizzy

  This is, as you say BB, the figure for deaths in Hospital, so deaths in Care Homes and the rest of the community take the total up to, it has been estimated, around 40,000, maybe more, we have no testing to speak of, so how many die in the community we cannot know.

  I think it is a danger to perhaps read too much in to a daily or weekly figure, I think within two or three weeks it is possible we may see the figures going up, people are incubating it, without symptoms, and with people entering the U.K, from all sorts of places, some hot spots, with no testing, or follow up scrutiny of their health, the disease can be spread exponentially, and numbers go up a lot.

  I hope I am wrong, I hope our partial lock down may be working well, but I am not overly optimistic.