Posts by Phizzy

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Are faders like me just cowards? Should I show my face?

by Witness 007 in

i feel bad i just faded away and did not "come out" as an apostate hater.

my mum died refusing blood and still i hang back my wife still has witness friends and goes to the memorial every year..

Phizzy

I chose to fade, as I have close family that are enmeshed heavily in the Cult, and unlikely to leave, why force them to have to shun me ? That was my thinking when I left all those years ago.

But, I determined that I would not be forever looking over my shoulder in fear of them, that was no kind of freedom. So, I started to Vote, to donate blood, and to smoke cigars, all of which could have resulted in some kind of action. But, if it happened, so be it, it would not have been of my direct choosing.

I am now effectively DA'd , though I don't know if there has been an official announcement. I was told that I had " crossed a line", I did not enquire what that "line" was, I don't think it was any of the above things, I think it was more my outspoken activism on Social Media, where I pull no punches against the Org. why should I ? I have never posted anything untrue !

So I don't think I have in any way been a coward by fading, and I did achieve a good number of years " under the radar", whatever happens now does not worry me, my JW family are really DA'd by me now, I do not want to associate with them, because they choose to belong to a horrible Cult.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Phizzy

Good way of looking at things Vidiot, because it is the ones who are loyal to the Org regardless of almost anything that they learn about the org, and regardless of the doctrinal changes, it is these ones who will stick, and keep it going.

The 100% believer, or even high percentage believer, can be shown that their beliefs are rubbish, if they open their closed minds, and they will leave, if it was only that they thought it was "the truth" that keeps them in. The loyal follower, as with any Cult, will stay until the end.

It was that way in my case, a lover of truth all my life, but never a little grey "Society" man, I could no longer stay once the House of Cards that is the Org's beliefs and teachings, fell down,

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U.K. Nurse Vaccinated With Covid Shot Has Covid Weeks After Getting Vac!

by minimus in

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someone i know from england is a nurse.

she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.

she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.

Phizzy

She probably got the first dose of the vaccine, which offers a bit of protection. The second dose has to be given within 6 to 12 weeks, and then one month after that you should be pretty well protected.

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Jehovah`s Witnesses owe their existence to Christendom`s groundwork.

by smiddy3 in

1.jehovah`s witnesses base their bible on christendoms determination of what books of scripture were to become what is known as the bible today,going back to the third century ad.. there were many ,many other books of scripture in existence at that time that these men decided in their own imperfect wisdom not to include them .. where it suited them the jw / gb would use the research of christendoms learned men who compiled bible dictionary`s and bible concordances.. 2.by far the vast majority of jehovah`s witnesses today are off-shoots of many of christendom`s religions from whom they poached members from and then gave birth to their own offspring to grow in numbers.. with all of there self praise of witnessing in all of the earth ,it is mainly wholly contained in lands where christendom has established the major religion of that land and jw`s have poached the most vulnerable people of that time.. 3.how many thousands of people have they converted in bangladesh ?

pakistan ?

china ?

Phizzy

You are just so right in your O.P Smiddy3 !

The J.W Org likes to present itself as something special, as though they are superior to Christendom and its Scholars. The truth of the matter is that ALL they are is plagiarisers and adaptors of the work of others. And they make a poor job of that !!

I could do better, working on the foundation laid before, than they do, idiots. Russell was an arch plagiariser , using the works of Adventists before him, and other works by loonies like Piazzi-Smythe with his Pyramidology. The Org ever since have not, in common with Russell, actually had an idea that is entirely their own.

They adapted ideas of others, who were members of Christendom, to come up with everything, except perhaps, I have to admit, the Overlapping Generation, yes, they thought that one up, and what a Doozy it is !

But for everything else they rely upon the people of " Apostate" Christendom ! ( as they call it ).

The problem they have had for a decade or more, is, where to go for inspiration ? The Scholars of Christendom and others who study the Bible or parts thereof, are becoming far more honest, and pointing out that it is all really Fiction. So, the question is, where will " New Light" come from ? They can no longer rely on a supply from outside, and no one in the org has the necessary knowledge or understanding to come up with a new direction for them.

So, they are stuck with trying to flog the dead horse of a 19th Century Apocalyptic End Time message that is WAY past its sell by date.

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This Lady is making a difference ! J W Org take note !

by Phizzy in

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/grace-tame-australian-of-the-year-speech-in-full/13091710?fbclid=iwar2dnw0nqhe1i6g9s9paha3aluft0tjuyeus64hm2o_ivnhnnvex2yf-7lm.

Phizzy

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/grace-tame-australian-of-the-year-speech-in-full/13091710?fbclid=IwAR2dnW0nQHe1I6G9s9PAha3AlUft0tjuYEuS64hm2o_iVNHnNvEX2yf-7lM

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Keystone XL Pipeline & Watchtower Research

by IWant2Leave in

you may know that president joe biden canceled the permits for the xl canadian pipeline on his first day in office.

this was a controversial move, and there has been discussion and videos floating around the office where i work.

one of my co-workers showed a video of all the jobs being lost.

Phizzy

Just to pick up on a good point made in the O.P , This > : " if you go to a source that supports a subject, all you get is information that supports that viewpoint. Makes sense?".

That is so true, and wants pointing out to any JW who directs you to the Org's Site for info. I would say to such JW's something like " If you wanted to find out the truth about the Mormon religion, would you simply go the THEIR Site and blindly accept what it says ?".

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Stats of bible studies vs baptisms

by joey jojo in

david splane once again 'davesplaning' facts and figures.

10 million bible studies and 200 000 baptisms.

how many of these would be jw kids with no choice?

Phizzy

I was born in to the Cult in the early 1950's, nearly all the adults were converts to the Cult. This slowly diminished over the decades, now it is as rare as Rocking Horse poo for someone to become a convert, and even then, most of those do not come from " cold calling" type work, but via relatives or work colleagues etc.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Started By Christiandom

by mrquik in

a little background first.

my first father- in-law, levi peterson was born in 1889. he personally knew rutherford.

he started the newark, ny congregation.

Phizzy

On the matter of the uttering of the Divine Name aloud, how do JW Org justify this ? They say that the Jewish religion was the True Religion until the death of Jesus or thereabouts.

Then they say as the Gospel does , that god said " Your House is abandoned to you". From then on, faith in Christ was the thing.

But, for all those Centuries, Yahweh had obviously smiled upon the reverential practice of only the High Priest uttering The Name aloud, once a year. Others disagree, on what evidence I know not, but I would argue that no one, including Jesus, among the ordinary Jewish folk, uttered the Name aloud.

So, why do Jehovah's Witnesses ? also obviously causing others to as they utter the name of the org, a practice that Jehovah did not approve in direct word, ever it seems.

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JWs Were Right About Something

by minimus in

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they used to say the world governments would turn on religion.

i think this part is coming true.

however they also said since jehovah’s witnesses were going to be the only religion left the governments were going to focus on the “eyeball”of jehovah, his people.

Phizzy

I don't think Governments are "turning on religion" at all, in any major way, yes a Hindu Government in India is making life Hell for its Muslim subjects, but that is not a general " turning on religion" as outlined by JW's.

What is happening is that people are demanding Human Rights, and more often than not some aspects of religions are denying people those rights.

Religious affiliation is falling fast in many Nations, even the benighted USA ! There is no need for Governments to deal harshly with religion in a general way, as it is moribund anyway.

So, as with Bible predictions of all sorts, or Bible based ones, the JW prediction in this case, has not, and IMHO will not, come true in the terms in which it is written.

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Moses got it wrong- The Ark was round

by fulltimestudent in

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not a new subject, i think i have posted on this before, as well as others.

but, i came across a british museum video (on youtube) in which a bm curator tells of his discovery of a cuneiform tablet outlining the assyrian story of the flood and the (round) ark.. the bm curator was dr irving finkel, deputy keeper of middle east at the british museum, he explains that one day a member of the public brought in an old family heirloom.

it all started with a fairly normal event for a museum: a member of the public bringing in an old family heirloom - a cuneiform tablet from around 1750 bc which proved to be one in a million.. finkel proceeded to decipher this tablet.

Phizzy

" Moses got it wrong " . It is not all " Moses" got wrong in Genesis, the order of "Creation" being one example.

I can imagine the Writer or Writers posing as Moses thinking it was a good idea to change the dimensions of the Ark as they created their own Story, but I am sure they were very familiar with exactly what the Babylonian story said, as that is what they had grown up with !

The whole putting together of a false History for the Hebrews is an interesting area of Study, a Study in the creation of a National Identity, and though we can now see the many fictions in the claims it makes, it is quite cleverly done. Clever enough to fool subsequent generations down until this day that it is a true record. Clever enough to cause Israel to claim it has historical rights which it does not.