Bible Prophecy has already failed. Every Bible Writer made plain that he expected his predictions to be fulfilled shortly after the time he wrote them, they were not.
To look for later fulfillment of already failed predictions is just plain Silly !
Posts by Phizzy
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15Pandemic as part of Bible prophecy?
by truthseeker ini was thinking that since russell started the movement in 1879 which became jehovah's witnesses in 1931 never has there been a period in time when all their activities just - stopped.
especially the preaching work.. do you think they will find some obscure verse in daniel that talks about this period of time and try to make a greater fulfillment?
like the 70 weeks of years or the 42 months?
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Whatever Happened to Those who returned to JEHOVAH
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/3yylzu0bi_k?si=kku6r9szfenj3h9i.
whatever happened to those who came back to jehovah?
due to slow growth and the constant scrutiny from governments like norway in relation to their harsh disfellowshipping practices,last year in a move that no one expected the watchtower for the first time extended an olive branch to all those who left the organization or were disfellowshipped in the past.considering this practice was introduced over 60 years ago and with a rough estimate that around 100,000 leave jehovah’s witnesses every year the total number is in the several millions.so we should have expected millions to have accepted this invitation and rejoined the organization, the result though was an abysmal few thousands according to a recent jw update.. so now, for the first time, the latest watchtower study magazine for april 2025 gives us an inside view on how this reintegration is coming along, and it doesn't look good!.
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Phizzy
The saddest case of a return to the J.W's that I know of happened about 5 years ago. A young man who was gay had left and set up home with a guy he had fallen in love with.
He had been a Reg. Pio. and served in Bethel for a number of years.
What happened I do not know, but obviously the relationship failed, probably because the lad I knew felt so guilty that it just wouldn't work.
He worked at a return, and got re-instated. But we all know he will never be happy, so sad.
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Canada exploring changes to tax rules that exempt religious organizations
by Scully inhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-oppose-removal-of-tax-status-in-canadian-proposal.html.
the proposed change will revoke charitable status of canadian churches who have an anti-abortion position, and will not give tax exemptions to organizations whose sole claim is to promote religion, which is the basic claim for all jw related entities in canada.
this will be interesting!.
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Phizzy
" would churches that also engage in charitable activities be exempt? ".
Churches should, if the Act is structured properly, be compelled to separate their main Church Business from the Charitable work, and have a stand alone Charity that can be scrutinised as to how the donations are spent.
If this is not done a HUGE Tax Avoidance Scheme is still in place, as used at present by the J.W org. and by the Salvation Army etc.
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Child abuse calculations
by Anony Mous inthere are no real numbers for jws but they are a relatively small group.
compared to the number of catholics at least.. the australian commission gathered more than 5000 cases with over 1000 perpetrators that went completely unreported for the jws.
likewise they did the same for catholics and collected just under 4800 cases with 1880 perpetrators.
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Phizzy
I made a similar calculation some years back, and came to the same conclusion, that the CSA and other Abuse problems were far more prevalent among J.W's than other religions and secular organisations such as the Scouts etc.
Of course 100% solid figures cannot be obtained, but when you add in the number of cases where J.W Elders persuaded parents etc. to sweep the incidents under the carpet, the problem in the J.W Org. was HUGE, and I cannot see that it can have been reduced much in recent years, they have taken no steps to put in place a real Safeguarding Programme, where a safeguarding Officer is active and on duty at all events where J.W's are together, plus the other things such Officers do.
The question is WHY NOT ?? Here in the U.K even small churches and small clubs and Associations have such a system going, there is simply NO EXCUSE for them not to protect the vulnerable, for which they have a Duty of Care.
The J.W Org. always was and remains A Paedophile Paradise.
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Quoting the Daily Mail at meetings
by Farmer Jim1 ini've just remembered that i attended a hall where one of the brothers consistently quoted daily mail articles to back up his answers during the meetings.
i found it hard to keep a straight face when the inevitable daily mail article was quoted to 'prove' a bible passage at each meeting.. no one really seemed to mind and i remember one time i spoke to an elder and said this has to stop as he is passing off tabloid tattle as hard fact.. elder wasn't interested.
i guess as long as the answers backed up the party line no one cared..
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Phizzy
The Daily Mail , on its Wiki page, used to have a notice on there from Wiki which warned it was not a source for factual information, that notice is probably still there !
" I guess as long as the answers backed up the party line no one cared."
That is the case, in the last few months before I finally walked away all those years ago, I used to give an answer that sounded like it backed the party line, but introduced a subversive idea. Most Elders did not notice, but maybe I planted a seed with someone in the audience ?
I remember one in the old Group Study, held in a private home as they still were back then, we were doing a bit in the old "Revelation" Book about how the U.N was one of the "beasts".
I answered and said about the Org. being "temporarily" a member of the U.N, and made the answer look a bit acceptable by saying that the Org. removed itself as a member, the Elder in charge looked a bit disturbed by what I had said, and merely said "Yes", whereas normally he would agree with an answer with alacrity..
I doubt he, or other people there, realised they were soon cosying up to the U.N again, but I tried !
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IICSA Final Report
by Phizzy inthe english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.
to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.
the first and last sentences.
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Phizzy
No, they had the second Reading of a Bill to safeguard children of School Age, The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill. Which was passed with a huge majority, despite every Right Wing Conservative that could be mustered Voting against the Bill.
The Cons. had put forward to be Voted on first, what is called a Reasoned Amendment, this would have scuppered the Bill, the amendment, as part of it,, called for a new inquiry into sex abuse gangs.
This was doing Elon Musk's bidding, the amendment was Voted down, such an Inquiry would take years, but the Government have not totally ruled out holding one, they are consulting with survivor/victim groups.
To scupper this Bill would have meant that the safeguarding of School Age kids was not in place for a long time.
The Conservatives showed how low they have sunk, no matter how evil his urgings, they will do Musk's bidding. Shocking.
The Government has said the first of the IICSA Report suggested actions, Mandatory Reporting, will be in Law soon, the others will follow. No doubt the Tories will Vote against those soon if Musk tells them to.
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The Greeks had a word for it, but the Watchtower didn't
by Nathan Natas ini recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.
this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.
in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.
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Phizzy
From Bible Hub :
" In the New Testament, "pragma" generally refers to a matter or affair, often with a focus on practical or concrete aspects. It can denote a business transaction, a legal matter, or a deed. The term emphasizes the tangible or actionable nature of the subject in question."
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IICSA Final Report
by Phizzy inthe english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.
to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.
the first and last sentences.
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Phizzy
"This will put the government on collision course with the Catholic Church who claim the “ sanctity of the confessional “ B.B.
"The sanctity of the confessional is , obviously, for people who CONFESS their sins. However if a child goes to a priest to report that they have been abused then that isn't a confession."
In U.K Law if a Priest uncovers a crime he is already duty bound to report it, the fact he learned it in the Confessional is irrelevant. This has been the case since the Reformation.
The loophole that will be closed is that a priest can claim he has not uncovered a crime where what is confessed does not at present constitute one, in HIS opinion, the same applies to an Elder, they will have to report first, and it is up to the authorities to say if a crime has been committed.
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Big Local Case, Sexual Abuse by former Elder, Police Raided the Kingdom Hall ! Kent, U.K !
by Phizzy inthe police have started an investigation where a woman has courageously come forward about her sexual abuse by a former elder, who had a record of doing such things with the local congregation, and i think it was all covered up.
they have charged him, he is claiming he is not mentally fit to appear in court, i hope that lie does not hold up !.
this case was unknown to the local elders, but hopefully will now give the strength for other women, who were all very young and very vulnerable at the time , to come forward as well.
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Phizzy
I will not identify the Hall on here, as it may identify the individual and prejudice the case against the Monster.
Assuming it comes to Court, and I really hope it does ! I will tell all.
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Removed - blood card
by skin ini overheard a discussion between two jws, they said that when someone is disfellowshipped, they are asked to hand their blood card back to the elders.
i had never heard of this before, is this correct?.
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Phizzy
If I had been DF'd I would not have had a card to hand back, I never filled one in or carried one when I was a J.W.
It was strange thinking about it, I had never thought about the blood nonsense hardly, I did that after I left, and asked my Doctor to remove any reference to it from my Records, and any ref. to me being a J.W. he assured me no such records had ever been on there ! LOL, I hadn't done that either.
I think the reason I did not do any of that crap was the feeling that is natural to me, since I was very young, just a boy, to never obey "authority" if I cannot see good reasons as to why I should.
The move to stop all that, to do with Blood cards, was definitely the fear the Org. has of litigation, The Legal Dept. guide them on this, as in so much, where is the Holy Spirit one wonders ? LOL.
When the Org. makes ANY move, it is always about the $$$.