Got to the bit where he pulls out old Watchtowers to show they never called themselves a prophet. Shame he missed the Apr 1 1972 WT. about 'Identifying the Prophet'!
tornapart
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WOW gotta check out this Charles Sinutko talk "Is It Proper to have doubts?"
by BU2B inso manipulaitve.
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http://www.printcentralandsigns.com/jwtalks/covisits/sinutko%20charles%20-%20is%20it%20proper%20to%20have%20doubts.mp3.
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Any Suggestions on what to say if elders ask why you stopped going in FS?
by BU2B ini was curious what might be some good things to say if i am questioned by the elduurs about my decline in fs.
anything too honest may get me a jc (although that would be for the best in the end..) the co visit is this week so they may be getting more agressive than usual.
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tornapart
I only do an hour a month, just so I don't get put on the 'inactive' list. Apparently there's a big push (from the GB) to chase up inactive ones. (This I heard from my elder hubby's own lips after a meeting with the CO. I know as an elder's wife I am going to be in the sights of the CO which is making me nervous.
I've thought about this question a lot and have thought all I need to say if asked why I'm doing so little is just, 'I have my reasons but would like to keep it to myself, if you don't mind'. I think the trick is to be firm and assertive without being rude. It works well in theory... I have yet to put it into practice!
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A farce elder here
by His Excellency injust to share a little about me:.
i was recently appointed an elder, about 6 months ago now, and that is exactly two years after my awakenning, but funny that the appointment came also about 2 years after i had completely lost all faith in god and had been leading a full time anti-jw life .
makes you wonder the role of the holy spirit in the entire nomination or appointment process.. .
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tornapart
Is this for real? Just take the word 'elder' out of the title...
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Past couple years of being awake might be catching up with me
by noonehome ini was a little too honest with a super close friend who is one of the most important people in my life.
my mistake.
she talked to an elder about my doubts...i know she had my best interests in mind and i hold nothing against her.
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tornapart
Feel for you!! I understand your dilemma. I'm married to a JW (elder) have JW children (grown and married) a JW parent, JW sibling. JW friends. Too old to make new friends. Friends I've got are lifetime friends.
However, I'm lucky that I haven't been 'dobbed' in by those friends and relatives and they respect my views. However I have been very careful what I say and have let it all build slowly by planting little seeds of doubt here and there. I made a mistake with my mother in the early days and 'spilled' too much. Then had to try and backtrack. Since then I've taken it extremely slowly and not said anything to raise the red flags even when it's burned inside to say something.
I think you need to ask yourself how much power you are going to allow the elders to have over you. Why should they dictate to you what you should do? Have you done something wrong? No! If you choose not to go to meetings, not to go on FS etc, that's YOUR CHOICE and they can't make you. If you don't want to study those booklets then DON'T. They have no rights over you. Take back the control over your own life. Say you are grateful for their concern but you want to do things your own way. Then, if you know you can't trust your friend not to say anything again then zip your mouth up next time!! It's hard to do, but if you want to stay for family and friends that you love, it's a must!!
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An important difference between atheists and true believers
by Hortensia intrue believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
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tornapart
I don't think you can generalise. There are many believers who are not interested in trying to convert people and just happy to live and let live. Then there are many atheists who are not happy unless they have tried to convert everyone they know.
People are individuals, everyone is different, everyone believes different things and everyone does different things. I don't think anyone falls into either one camp or the other.
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Unsung Heroes of J.W net
by new hope and happiness inbeen on this site 8 months now, but not on a daily basis.
recently discoverd a poster named processor, loved his tread on the life of jesus.
anyway the guys posts never seem to make long threads.
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tornapart
Aunt Connie.... wonder where she's gone?
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Your Experience with Resigning as an Elder
by committeechairman ini'm considering resigning as an elder.
i'm not planning to fade or stop as one of jehovah's witnesses, just stop serving as an elder.. i have responsibility in the congregation and in circuit, district, rbc, etc.
and i'm completely exhausted.
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tornapart
CC, my hubby is an elder and he 'stepped down' for a while, though we didn't know for how long. He got together with me to work out the letter together. He was like you and had become exhausted and our marriage was suffering too. We decided that it was in the best interests of our relationship that he had to do it. He used scriptures to show how marriage and family was important, that the jobs he had to do was taking away time we could spend together. How the wife and children come before the congregation. His resignation was accepted (with reluctance) but he was firm with his decision. Could you do the same? Sit down with your wife and discuss how you need to word it, if she can have some imput I'm sure it will have a good effect.
All the best!!
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Please explain God's wisdom in Judges19;22-30
by jam inthe just of the account, two people enter a city and can not .
find lodging.
an old man invite them to stay with him (levite).. this is so weird, all the men of the city come to have sex with.
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tornapart
I've read stories in history books about what catholics did to 'heretics' and all in the name of God. I don't think the stories in the bible are much different. They did bad things and all in the name of God. When Jesus came he showed that the God they were teaching about was very different to the one he knew and taught to his disciples.
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Unsung Heroes of J.W net
by new hope and happiness inbeen on this site 8 months now, but not on a daily basis.
recently discoverd a poster named processor, loved his tread on the life of jesus.
anyway the guys posts never seem to make long threads.
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tornapart
I really like some of the stories that a poster called 'Amazing' posted. Lots of fun to read, very eye-opening and gob-smacking! I also like the posts by 'Darth Rutherford'. He doesn't post much but they are always very thought provoking.
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Which of the SEVEN stages of post JW behavior are you in right now?
by Terry in1. they done me wrong.
2. i'm depressed.
3. i'm gonna act like an apostate (smoke, drink, drugs, sex, outrageous behavior).
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tornapart
I'm at no.4. I do feel a bit of no.1 and 2 the anger and depression but have generally moved on. I don't want to go off the rails and don't want to get involved in activism. I'm interested in moving forward wherever it may take me. I still believe in God but not religion. I feel optimistic and want to live a happy life (what's left of it). Family is important to me. I don't want to waste what's left of life in case this is all there is but I still have a yearning for spiritual things, although I believe even being atheist or agnostic one can be spiritual (with a love of nature, music, realtionships etc). Is there something after death? I hope so but even if not I can make the most of what I have now. I love reading and learning and I'm finding it's taking me to all sorts of new and interesting places.