Posts by Raimundo

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Is Jesus a Created Being? Debate with a Pastor

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.

—colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.

“firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.

Raimundo

Hello breeze, I must admit that the text I quoted can be seen as you apply it, so you destroyed my point, but I have another

You say that Jesus is God and in reality the word God is not in the Bible, the word that is applied to Jesus in Greek is Θεός

Many believe that this word is equivalent to "God" (with a capital letter) but it is not so

This word was used for the creator, also to designate divine representatives such as Moses, the judges and kings of Israel (Septuagint) and it was even used for humans who received divine favors or deified humans

In our culture the word God (with a capital letter) is only used to designate the creator of the universe or supreme reality

The uses of the word Θεός of the first century do not correspond to our culture and way of speaking

We do not call "God" someone who represents God because he makes his will known

To say that Jesus is God is to confuse the listener and He doesn't know that the words when translated have different nuances

John 1:1 clearly speaks of 2 Θεός and we know that there is only one God, this is simply because the second Θεός is the nuance of representative of the father

If the word Θεός was applied to Moses, is it strange that it is applied to Jesus Christ

Here are some interesting links for those who are interested

https://revelationbyjesuschrist.com/theos-2/

https://commentaries.2001translation.org/is-jesus-god

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Is Jesus a Created Being? Debate with a Pastor

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.

—colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.

“firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.

Raimundo

John 1:14 is clear, Jesus is μονογενής or translated "only begotten" there it says that he was begotten while God has always existed and of course is not begotten. That is the reason why he is called father and Jesus is called son.

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1 Thessalonians 5:3....Prophecy ?

by HereIam60 in

i've always had difficulty understanding how watch tower interprets 1 thessalonians 5:3 as prophetic of a future event - that the nations will unite in a (false) cry that they have achieved 'peace and security' which will signal the start of the great tribulation.

whenever i've read that passage i got the sense that it is simply stating a general principle... that when people are complacent and off-guard, thinking everything is o.k., peaceful and secure then sudden unexpected events hit them harder and they don't know what to do.

when i was first coming in (1980s) i well recall the "true peace and security" book that made a big deal about the un having declared 1986 'the international year of peace'.

Raimundo

Something that Paul does constantly is to quote Jesus but with other words

he does it in all his letters

When he talks about peace and security he is quoting what Jesus said about Noah's flood

Jesus said that people would eat, drink and marry, that is to say people would BE CAREFREE AND AT PEACE

but destruction would come like a flood in a SUDDEN way

Paul says the same thing and if you notice both talk about the day of the Lord

That does not mean that people will reach a fictitious peace which will happen

Simply waiting for the exact same words to be pronounced like magic words is another misinterpretation of the governing body

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The Governing Body have a lack of self awareness in this discussion

by ukpimo in

david splane's infamous pandemic "land of the living" speech will be shown at the midweek meeting in 2 weeks.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/jw-meeting-workbook/march-april-2025-mwb/life-and-ministry-meeting-schedule-for-march-3-9-2025/.

in this item,.

7. demonstrate trust in jehovah’s organization.

Raimundo

I think the splane report will be repeated to respond and do damage control for what the authors of the mentioned page are doing in spreading this whole issue

In fact they have started making youtube videos analyzing the biblical principles that the Governing Body violated

This is the worst attack they can receive since the bible itself condemns them

I think that in Great Britain there is a day of reflection for the victims of covid during that week so it seems that they join that and defend all the measures that were taken

Surely there will be another pandemic and they will do the same again since in the next one it will be argued that the vaccines are made with AI and it has more computing power than all the atoms in the universe so they will be "safer and more effective" vaccines

Whoever falls into that trap has no remedy

Very good initiative on change org

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Are You Confident With Covid Vaccines and What Officials Say Is The Right Thing To Do?

by minimus in

jw
friends

most of my friends have gotten the vaccines and are quite confident that it’s just what the doctor ordered.

i’m not confident with dr. fauci.

i don’t like the fact that the makers of the vaccines are not held responsible if someone taking the vac develops an illness or even death.

Raimundo

Hello, here is a site where many brothers complain about what the governing body did with the vaccines during the updates

https://adverse-events-jw.org/

There are many letters and responses from the branch to the complaints

here is a complaint letter

https://adverse-events-jw.org/open_letter/

https://adverse-events-jw.org/ressources/OPEN_LETTER_TO_THE_GOVERNING_BODY_OF_JEHOVAH_S_WITNESSES.pdf

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OPEN LETTER TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

by Raimundo in

i wanted to share with you a letter that is circulating in some spanish-speaking congregations.

it is about the covid-19 vaccine and the governing body.

there is an english translation that i got today and i put it in the links.

Raimundo

It is true that the governing body will not read it but I understand that the USA branch and several other countries have already received it.

I think the important thing is that several brothers are reading it.

Understanding that the governing body should face a judicial committee using their same rules can make some start to think about things

probably they should be expelled for their lack of repentance

surely the nefarious vaccine updates will be deleted from the jw site.

Criminals when exposed try to erase the evidence

Fortunately it is only a letter.... if it were a book it would have more than a thousand pages LOL

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OPEN LETTER TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

by Raimundo in

i wanted to share with you a letter that is circulating in some spanish-speaking congregations.

it is about the covid-19 vaccine and the governing body.

there is an english translation that i got today and i put it in the links.

Raimundo

Hello everyone

I wanted to share with you a letter that is circulating in some Spanish-speaking congregations

It is about the covid-19 vaccine and the Governing Body

There is an English translation that I got today and I put it in the links

I don't think anyone has posted it here yet

CARTA ABIERTA AL CUERPO GOBERNANTE DE LOS TESTIGOS DE JEHOVÁ

OPEN LETTER TO THE GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

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Jehovah’s Witnesses or Jesus Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

keith writes.

you have just touched on a flawed doctrinal belief that is foundational to false religion.. first, it is important to understand what false religion means when they call themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

by this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the father” despite the fact that jehovah is not the name of god at all, but a concoction of human origin from the dark ages.. here is the flaw:.

Raimundo

Hi, I understand what you're saying about being witnesses of Jesus

but the argument that one cannot be a witness of the Father because no one saw him is a flawed argument

the one who says that is not me, it is Jehovah

10 “You are my witnesses, declares Jehovah,

“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,r

So that you may know and have faith in me*

And understand that I am the same One.s

Before me no God was formed,

And after me there has been none.t

Jehovah himself says that his witnesses are people who did not see him

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Are you glad you got the Covid Vaccine? Did it help?

by liam in

i didn’t get the covid vaccine, but i admit, i was scared as shit i made the wrong decision because there was so much confusion out there.

practically all my family and most of my friends took the vaccine because everyone was depending on those in charge to speak the truth.

now a lot of them are sick, and they can't figure out why.

Raimundo

Hello, what is often diagnosed as polio can have other causes. Please read the book I left for you to see it. There it goes into more depth on this

The virus that causes polio is probably in the intestine of all of us and is asymptomatic

The problem is the causes that make it develop the disease

DDT is one of them, which is why it was banned.

But there are also others such as lead contamination

The same thing happens with arsenic, which was diagnosed in children in the past in some cultures and produces symptoms very similar to polio

I do not deny that there has been polio in the past, the discussion is what makes the virus "wake up" and cause the disease, since many have it in their bodies and are completely healthy

About covid vaccines harming people, just look around us. Are all the people who say they have adverse effects and are sorry to get vaccinated lying? I know hundreds of people who regret getting the COVID vaccine, but none who regret not getting it.

You reject the news just because it is on a website you don't like? You consider it fake just because of that?

I think news should be evaluated by itself

Gold in the hands of a dirty, stinking beggar is still gold

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Are you glad you got the Covid Vaccine? Did it help?

by liam in

i didn’t get the covid vaccine, but i admit, i was scared as shit i made the wrong decision because there was so much confusion out there.

practically all my family and most of my friends took the vaccine because everyone was depending on those in charge to speak the truth.

now a lot of them are sick, and they can't figure out why.

Raimundo

Hello everyone

The topic of poliomyelitis is quite controversial.

According to several researchers, it was caused by DDT in pesticides.

There is a book that deals with this, which I am sharing with you in Spanish since I don't know the title in English.

I hope you find it interesting

https://www.everand.com/book/556835937/Desvaneciendo-ilusiones-Las-enfermedades-las-vacunas-y-la-historia-olvidada?language_settings_changed=English

Regarding the effect of vaccination on brothers, it is interesting to mention a Korean study on 9,000,000 people who were vaccinated against Covid. This figure is close to that of our brotherhood.

The conclusions are the same as those of other scientific studies I have read.

1 in 4 people develops Vaids, that is, AIDS as a result of vaccines.

It is not a joke, it is something serious.

Probably 2,000,000 of our brothers have AIDS at this time, since thanks to the reckless instructions of the governing body, they were vaccinated with too many doses.

The governing body is guilty of blood and should be tried in a judicial committee for that.

https://tierrapura.org/2024/08/31/estudio-sobre-9-millones-de-vacunados-las-vacunas-contra-el-covid-19-provocan-el-sida/

https://slaynews-com.translate.goog/news/study-confirms-covid-shots-caused-spikes-vaids-cancer/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es-419