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  What is sin?

  by sinboi in

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  what do you consider sinful?

  okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.

  just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.

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  deegee

  Sinboi,

  You have certainly been thinking critically and coming to your own conclusions. Wish I were like you when I was 16.

  ".....that yhwh is doing the same with the pagan believers. In his case, he needs to kill them..He cannot afford to let anyone influence the israelites"-------sinboi

  Some things to think about:

  Why didn't God also reveal himself to the Canaanites just as he did to Moses in the burning bush so that the massacre/genocide of the Canaanites could have been avoided?

  God could have invited the native Palestinians into his covenant, given them the same laws he had given the Israelites, and established an egalitarian society where people of all races could live together in harmony.

  Instead, he ordered his people to invade and slaughter the natives, killing them to the last man, woman and child, specifically instructing them to show no mercy to anyone under any circumstances.

  What followed was a series of terrible, bloody battles in which tens of thousands of people died violently. Finally, God pronounced his campaign of genocide a success (Joshua 11:15).
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  What is sin?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what do you consider sinful?

  okay, i know many of you no longer believe that there is a god.

  just bear with me a little, just assumed that there is a creator or god.

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  deegee

  Confusedalot,

  I note your musings and the hard questions which you have been asking in this and other threads.

  Some people choose to believe that God exists but that he is not interventionist. He just created the world then went AWOL (deism).

  It is this lack of intervention, however, which has led others to believe that God does not exist at all. This is the case of Gretta Vosper a minister with the United Church of Canada who came out as atheist.

  The following is an excerpt from her defense to the United Church of Canada regarding her atheist stance:

  http://www.grettavosper.ca/tag/matthew-fox/

  http://www.grettavosper.ca/

  "........a being who presides over Earth from another realm, a supernatural one, from which it has the power to intervene in the natural world - capriciously or by design - by responding to our prayerful requests, or altering our minds and so, too, our actions, or intervening in the natural world with or without provocation or invitation in order to alter weather patterns, health, the accumulation or loss of wealth, the circumstances of birth including geography - a predictor of health and access to food and water - gender, sexuality, mental capacity, or beauty - all predictors of the power status and ease with which individuals will live their lives, then, no, I do not believe in that at all.

  Neither do I believe in a god of no substance who exists beyond the universe yet contains it, interpenetrating it in some incomprehensible way for some incomprehensible purpose.

  I see no evidence of such gods.

  Were I to be given incontrovertible proof that a god does or gods do exist, the evidence of the cruel and capricious realities of disparity, tragedy, illness, and anguish in the world, and the truth that our world and our experience of it is wrapped not only in beauty but also in excruciating pain, would prevent me from worshipping it or pledging my allegiance to it, no matter the cost.

  I DO NOT BELIEVE ......

  .......in gods who can intervene in the natural world; therefore, I cannot believe that there is something we could define as a “call” from any god to us to direct us to act in any particular way."

  
  
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  Education

  by bola in

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  after waking up from the truth about the truth, i have decided to go to higher institution for further studies.

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  deegee

  University libraries are also a great place to do research.
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  Either God’s non-existence or His majesty

  by venus in

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  in natural calamities, everyone (despite one’s faith) is affected.

  when one denies god’s existence, he experiences no punishment from him.

  when one worships him, he receives no special favor from him.

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  deegee

  Confusedalot,

  How have you identified a God that is not involved in the actions/lives of men and does not want to be Identified? Are your abilities of discernment greater than his of concealment?------confusedalot

  I like your musings and the hard questions which you have been asking. Some people just choose to believe that God exists but that he is not interventionist. He just created the world then went AWOL (deism).

  However, it is this lack of intervention which has led others to believe that God does not exist at all. Take the case of Gretta Vosper a minister with the United Church of Canada who came out as atheist.

  The following is an excerpt from her defense to the United Church of Canada:

  http://www.grettavosper.ca/tag/matthew-fox/

  http://www.grettavosper.ca/

  "........a being who presides over Earth from another realm, a supernatural one, from which it has the power to intervene in the natural world – capriciously or by design – by responding to our prayerful requests, or altering our minds and so, too, our actions, or intervening in the natural world with or without provocation or invitation in order to alter weather patterns, health, the accumulation or loss of wealth, the circumstances of birth including geography - a predictor of health and access to food and water - gender, sexuality, mental capacity, or beauty - all predictors of the power status and ease with which individuals will live their lives, then, no, I do not believe in that at all.

  Neither do I believe in a god of no substance who exists beyond the universe yet contains it, interpenetrating it in some incomprehensible way for some incomprehensible purpose.

  I see no evidence of such gods.

  Were I to be given incontrovertible proof that a god does or gods do exist, the evidence of the cruel and capricious realities of disparity, tragedy, illness, and anguish in the world, and the truth that our world and our experience of it is wrapped not only in beauty but also in excruciating pain, would prevent me from worshipping it or pledging my allegiance to it, no matter the cost.

  I DO NOT BELIEVE ......

  .......in gods who can intervene in the natural world; therefore, I cannot believe that there is something we could define as a “call” from any god to us to direct us to act in any particular way.
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  The jw mindset

  by Akid48 in

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  when i woke up i got my critical thinking i lost it when i was five and now i have it at thirteen oh and how i missed it.. something i noticed is how with the hurricanes hitting yes do say "oh u feel bad for the people there".but i hear is "we know this is just a sign of the end.when i'm over thinking i wish i could help but nope it's just a sign of the end.

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  deegee

  When I woke up I got my critical thinking I lost it when I was five and now I have it at thirteen oh and how I missed it ----------Akid48

  Good for ya!
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  I Indirectly Helped Someone Join The Troof

  by Nosferatu in

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  hey all!

  long time no see.. a couple of weeks ago, i got a phone call from my jw mother.

  she said she had something interesting to tell me.... way back in 2002, i was moving out from my stupid roommate who was playing dumb jokes on me.

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  It is said that religion satisfies psychological needs, so don't feel any responsibility for this person becoming a JW.

  Cults, for example, satisfy the psychological need for idealism - the JWs believe that only God's kingdom can solve mankind's problems. Persons inclined towards idealism or persons who can't cope with conflict, dysfunction, difficulties etc find the idealism which the JW cult offers to be appealing.
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  What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

  by Old Navy in

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  the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

  i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

  aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

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  deegee

  This series of articles discusses the arguments for and against women as religious leaders:

  http://www.religioustolerance.org/femclrgy.htm

  
  
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  Free to sin but still cannot bring myself to do it

  by sinboi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have da'd myself nearly 3 months ago.

  now i am part of this world but i feel myself the odd one out.

  something inside me is still blocking me to do the things i have been longing to do while i was still a jw, such as attending birthday parties, sex, etc.... just last nite, i was on the way to attend a birthday party.

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  When I read Honest post, I thought the devil is speaking. Don't know why I associate Honest "It is not a sin" to the serpent's words to Eve "You will not die"............ The devil is waiting to devour those leaving Jehovah's Organization"---------Sinboi

  We were taught that only JWs are good associates but that is not true. There are good and bad people in the world and there is good and bad among the JWs too.

  You do still have to evaluate persons as to whether they will make worthwhile friends for you, but JWs are not the only good associates in the world.

  
  
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  Free to sin but still cannot bring myself to do it

  by sinboi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have da'd myself nearly 3 months ago.

  now i am part of this world but i feel myself the odd one out.

  something inside me is still blocking me to do the things i have been longing to do while i was still a jw, such as attending birthday parties, sex, etc.... just last nite, i was on the way to attend a birthday party.

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  deegee

  Sinboi,

  There are persons who believe that the

  Tanakh, Talmud, Torah, Vedic Scriptures, Bhagavad Gita, Quran (Koran), Hadith, Avesta

  are god's word just as you believe that the Bible is god's word. Why are you right and they wrong?
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  The "circle" of the earth

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.

  this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.

  from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.

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  deegee

  Yeah. God can "inspire the bible" yet not ensure that the correct word is used by the writers? Kind of makes the whole divinely inspired idea laughable!-------- stuckinarut2

  There is a Hebrew word for ball, it used at Isaiah 22:18. Why not use that to describe the earth instead of using a word that just goes along with the incorrect idea of the time ------Annon