Posts by outoftheorg

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First Post

by 5thGeneration in

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some things confuse me here.

i am in the same position as many where i don't agree with so much the society says and feel stuck dragging myself to the meetings and then feel incredible guilt because the study for the day says it is wrong to have any doubts "even in private".

impossible for me!.

outoftheorg

Hi 5th, it is nice to have you here.

When I was a jw and faced the {vasectomy} issue, I just found the right time " a fishing trip with friends non jw's of course" and had it done in private. For reasons not known, I came home with no fish.

I am sure some here will expound on this sentence.

Don't worry about us trying to convert or corrupt you.

We don't have the time or the inclination to do so.

Although I ought to say, that once a person finds the means and the time to investigate his feelings and beliefs, it most usually results in some restructuring of beliefs.

I once had all of your beliefs and fears and confusion and a lot of cognitive dissonance, which displayed itself as a constant low level of anger. sometimes called as depression.

Now I find myself pondering God and Jesus and the bible and the universe and myself without an interfering organization between us and all those unwanted troublesome mental / emotional feelings went away .

I am responsible for my acts in life and the outcome and I have released the wbts from any responsibility. They thanked me in a rather strange way, but I accept that also.

Outoftheorg

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If I have conviction...

by OldSoul in

if i have convictions, but i turn out to be wrong, were my convictions according to accurate knowledge?

can knowledge be "accurate" and "wrong" at the same time?

can knowledge be "pure, unadulterated, unblemished" and "flawed, imperfect, mistaken" at the same time?

outoftheorg

For me Convictions are ones decisions or beliefs that can use accurate truths to support wrong doings.

Misuse of accuracy, using accuracy to support wrong ideas.

Knowledge can be pure, unadulterated, unblemished and still be imperfect and mistaken if used in or for situations it is not intended for or applied to the wrong issue.

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"This Generation" change -- fallout evidence?

by reagan_oconnor in

i was reading the recent posts on 2034 and was wondering... .

the 1975 debacle left the fds scrambling for explanations for the mass exodus of r&f who were disillusioned by their bs.

the pat answer has always been, "those people didn't keep pace with god's chariot" and they weren't "strong in the truth" and allowed something so "minor" to "stumble" them.

outoftheorg

I think that the major part of the rank and file do not understand the wbts teachings and publications.

To try and understand requires a lot of reading of books and magazines and of the bible and study.

How many of us have the time for that? How many would find it boreing and difficult.

And it is NOT any fun or fulfilling.

But they do LIKE and WISH for the PROMISES.

Everlasting life.

Total happiness.

And the big one " I WILL SEE AND ENJOY ALL OF THIS " but you non believers will not.

Seeing deceased loved ones resurected.

A feeling of superiority. Boy do they love that.

These are the payoffs.

So they only read the awake and watchtower and books at study. NOT a way to fully understand the bible or the wbts teachings and how they live up to the bible or do not.

Then little by little they give up trying to understand and just "stay the course" as they are told.

No doubts allowed, attend the meetings more and get out in service, everything in its due time, as the elders tell them.

When we reach this point, nothing is challenged, any changes are accepted, any excuse seems logical.

Only the wbts is truthful, and is spirit directed.

Anything else is directed by satan and not to even be looked at, much less examined.

At this point only something that brings the believer extreme physical or mental / emotional PAIN.

is strong enough to create enough anger / hurt feelings to leave or lash out at the cult and be removed.

Even then the ties that BIND still may linger on.

It is not easy to admit to myself, that this once was me.

Outoftheorg

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Dennis, I suggest you go to your congregation elders...

by Elsewhere in

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friends

.

dennis

... and confess to them that you have being willfully going against the directions of the faithful and discrete slave by visiting evil apostate websites like this.. perhaps they will lovingly extend to you discipline that can yield peaceable fruit.. .

outoftheorg

Dennis it seems that you are upset at signs about pedophiles and the jw's being put up on the congregation property.

You feel it is illegal and improper conduct.

I see no difference between this and the jw's leaving magazines at Drs. offices and at airports and at laundries. Usually with out permission.

I also see no difference between this and leaving magazines at the doors of "not at homes",again without permission.

So what the jw's do is ok but it is wrong for the victim of a jw pedophile to attract the attention to this problem, in the only way he can, that may call this to the attention of the public.

It is the blinded true believer like you that have my most sympathy.

Outoftheorg

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Where's the payoff?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

excuse me if i'm being cynical, but i've had my own experiences with [b]organized religion, though it was non-jw.

the group i was affiliated with demanded that full fledged members tithe (10% off the top of your income; pre-taxes), and a donation basket was also circulated at nearly every gathering in addition to tithing.

even kids were encouraged to participate; they would give them little envelopes to put loose change into and put in the basket.

outoftheorg

The wtbts is in a constant "we are in need of more money" pleading to the flock.

Don't fool your self by thinking the magazines etc. do not end up as revenue for the wbts.

At this point they are heavily involved in properties and the cash flow is slower than they want.

Dennis the menace is a jw supporter so he is openly going to give you a different message.

Probably because he does not know that much about his own religion.

There will be others here with more documentable information about this issue.

I look at it this way. If the jw members only end up in some way to deliver one dollar a month to the wbts headquaters "and it is my experience that it is more than a dollar" they recieve at least 6 million dollars a month from their 6 million active "as they boastingly report" members.

Stick around this should get interesting.

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For those who think they know everything

by free2beme in

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friends

for those of you who just thought you knew everything, here's a refresher course................ .

the liquid inside young coconuts can be used as a substitute for blood plasma.. .

no piece of paper can be folded in half more than seven (7) times.. .

outoftheorg

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT URANUS.

BUT MY ANUS "DOES NOT ROTATE"

Outoftheorg

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AND NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY!

by Outaservice in

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friends

in the 16th, and 17th centuries, everything had to be transported by ship and it was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common.. it was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is menthane gas.. as the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen.

menthane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below with a lantern, 'ka.........boooom!'.

several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening.. after that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term 'ship high in transit' on them which meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the 'hold' would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane.. thus evolved the term "s.h.i.t.

outoftheorg

ALL OF THE ABOVE ODRADE.

JUST FOR YOU

Outoftheorg

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AND NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY!

by Outaservice in

jw
friends

in the 16th, and 17th centuries, everything had to be transported by ship and it was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common.. it was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is menthane gas.. as the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen.

menthane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below with a lantern, 'ka.........boooom!'.

several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening.. after that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term 'ship high in transit' on them which meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the 'hold' would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane.. thus evolved the term "s.h.i.t.

outoftheorg

Outaservice thank you so very much. I have spent sleepless nights wondering where the name 'SHIT"

originated. I thought it might be a take off fecal or fecie but could never find the connection.

I have truly searched dilligently and for years. I knew that fecie bust or something like that in Norwegian is roughly FART BLOSSOM in english or close to it.

Can you tell me how this phrase came about. How about shit head or don't know shit or an oh shit moment, is there a naval connection to these also?

Keep up the good work Out, no one can say we are with out education.

Actually I--- well mmmmmmm already knew about the origin of shit.

I just wanted to commend you and make you feel good.

Outoftheorg

QUOTES YOU ARE A PARTY POOPER, WELL A KINDA NICE ONE, BUT A PARTY POOPER.

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What are your goals in life that don't involve the WTS?

by John Doe in

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friends

i'm just curious.

i know this is a wts discussion forum, but by some posts, it seems as if the wts never leaves some heads.

also, a lot seems to be conspiracy theory.

outoftheorg

To live my life to the fullest.

I have friends who get together on almost a daily basis. Drink a beer or two. Help friends with their auto troubles or wood working plans. Help wife keep up the most lovely yard and flowers I have ever seen.

This week am bringing 120/240 volts to the garage and to a shallow well pump for the gardens.

This next week we plan on going on the step son's 250 hp jet boat and run the rapids on the snake river. IF my wife gets rid of her diahrea!!!

There is always some remodeling that my wife wants on the house.

We have plans to go to Bergdorf Hot springs up by Macall Idaho some time this month.

The fiddle festival starts up soon. Lots of violins and dancers, young tenagers and younger perform.

Nope I don't sit around gripeing about the wbts and jw's. I do let my friends know what a bunch of missled, troubled bunch the jw's are and two friends are as active as I am to warn people about the wbts and jw's.

Life is good, if you want it to be.

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Remember the prices of things when you were a teenager?

by hubert in

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friends

ah, the good old days !!!

now that i'm old and gray, i can't believe the change in prices for this good stuff!

whole cheese pizza ............ 75 cents !!.

outoftheorg

Gasoline in San Diego in 1950's 24 cents a gallon early 1960's .27 cents a gallon. Awful increase in gas prices. What is this world coming to? Armageddon???

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