Posts by Borges

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yet another newbie..

by ragnarok75 in

jw
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i've been lurking here for some time and now that i've registered here's a little bit about myself... i'm in northern europe (so english is not my own language,but i have indeed studied it for more than 18 months) and i was born into this hateful cult in the "momentuous" year of -75.good that my parents stayed alive till then!.

as far back as i can remember i had doubts both about the doctrines and the whole existence of god.however,i instinctively knew that these doubts are not to be mentioned.so i learned to be a fake at an early age.though having read many other stories here i realise how easy i got it.i now understand that we lived in a rather liberal area and also my family was quite liberal eventhough my dad was an elder since mid -80 and mom was really "strong in the truth".i never brought up the religion at school or with friends and was never bullied or anything.it helped that i was good at sports,especially football (soccer for americans) and football is also the source of my biggest hurt in childhood.i know it may sound very trivial,but the fact that i wasn't allowed to join a football team felt just so unjust and painfull and it lasted all through my childhood.whenever we had a new gym teacher,the first thing he asked me was which team do i play for.i was too embarrased to tell the truth and i just gave the impression that i only wanted to play for fun and not join any team.oh,how badly i wanted to!.

somehow i managed to silence all those doubts and got babtised as a young man.very soon after the babtism i knew that it didn't have the hoped for effect of making me more spiritual and meetings and field service still felt an absolute bore.now began the long years of just "going through the motions".all my family (parents,many brothers and sisters,uncles and aunts,nieces and nephews) and most of my friends were in.i never reached out and attended only one or two meetings a week and penned my hours.i kind of liked my congregation (also,the seats at our kh were really comfy,so i often slept through the meetings) and made some very good friends.friends that - as you all can guess- didn't turn out to be so good in the end,but with whom i nonetheless had some good times and felt a strong connection to.. for a long time nothing happened that would've disrupted my rather non-eventfull life as a lacklustre jdub with at least another foot in the "world".i'd done many things that would've gotten me d'fed,but i never had any intentions of going to the elders about it and i had no pangs of conscience about it either.it was just a matter of convenience..i liked my witness friends,wanted to hold on to them and not to lose my family.. however..there was this girl... a (worldly,of course) girl that i had absolutely fell for and had a brief romance with many years ago.now she was back in my life.i must omit the proceeding turns of events for the sake of anonymity,but the end result is that i'm a proud father of a lovely baby girl.well,not so much baby anymore as she starts school soon.i love her so much and it gives me great satisfaction that she is growing free from any influence of vicious cults or of any gods for that matter.we live now in different countries but i see her often and there's always skype.. her birth also acted as a catalyst for the change in relationship between me and the society.i decided that i wanted to share the joy of her birth and existence with my family,eventhough i also knew that that would mean i'd have to go the elders too.if i didn't,they would,and that would result in automatic disfellowshippping.. a jc was duly formed and i had decided that i'm not going to go there and tell them that i regret her,as having her is the best thing that's ever happeded to me.

Borges

Welcome!

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New Member / MS still in...

by Comatose in

jw
friends

feels real strange typing this.

i was what you all call born in.

i was happy growing up.

Borges

A warm welcome from Germany Comatose!

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Not sure what to do next

by magotan in

jw
friends

i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

Borges

Welcome magotan,

I hope you will find your way soon. I good friend of mine is also gay, but he suppresed his feelings almost forty years. His way to freedom was a very hard one. The sooner you are going to loose the chains that prevent you from being yourself, the better for you.

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Gambling with chance

by Borges in

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Borges

DoC - "lame excuse to do nothing" - exactly. You can't imagine a more cynical way to response to someone calling for help.

Tater-T - russion roulete - thats true. But pointing the gun at someone else's head.

Thank you

Borges

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Gambling with chance

by Borges in

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Borges

In the “Shepherd the Flock” Book it is stated (Page 72 – German edition) that if there is no second witness and the accused is denying, the elders should leave the case in Jehovah’s Hands.

Now, think about that in a case of child abuse. What does it really mean to leave the matter in Jehovah’s Hands? For me, as I don’t believe in Jehovah or any other God, it is just delivering the victim to the unforeseeable twists of chance and circumstances. But even if there is a god the situation will be same, as God is the most unpredictable character you can imagine. Nobody knows what he is doing, or if he is doing anything at all.

Leaving such a serious matter like child abuse in Jehovah’s hands is a euphemism for leaving the victim alone. It’s the shepherds saying: “Oh, this little sheep is alone outside in the dark. Let’s wait if God permits a wolf to take it.”

It is a gambling game, like roulette, where the players are just watching where the ivory ball finally ends up.

The elders are gambling with chance and the bet is the physical and emotional welfare of the most vulnerable people.

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New here and just sick!

by msconcerned in

jw
friends

hello, i am new and i feel soooo wrong about being here.

anyway i am an m.s and have been disillusioned ever since the new understanding that came out in october.

i have read many things on this board that i have and also have not thought about.

Borges

Welcome and enjoy the journey that lies ahead of you! There is so much to learn and so much to experience outside the Wachttower-World.

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New Member-Active Elder

by Promitheas in

jw
friends

i'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.

i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.

some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..

Borges

A warm welcome from the european neighborhood!

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New Member...

by sosoconfused in

jw
friends

hello everyone, just wanted to say hi and introduce myself.. i am a mid 30's just stepped aside elder, who just couldn't handle it anymore.. i am a 3rd generation born-in and former pioneer and bethelite.

it has been a log somewhat confusing ride for me, but i am finally settling in to realizing that i need to really look at what me and my family are doing.. .

its funny though what really got me here... it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble, it wasn't the watching young people bail left and right, it wasn't the ever changing new light etc... but a simple thought.. .

Borges

A warm welcome from germany sosoconfused!

Borges (ex-elder & ex-bethelite)

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Are we on the brink of another world war?

by slimboyfat in

i don't want to be an alarmist or anything... .

but i read this article in the economist today that argued it is only a matter of time until china and japan exchange shots over some small islands in between the two countries, it could escalate to full scale war, and the united states is treaty bound to come to aid of japan.

on top of that the united states is making diplomatic visits to various countries borderning china in a move that is viewed extremely negatively in beijing.

Borges

World War I was mainly driven by national egomania, supported by an also national minded economy.

Politics today is mainly driven by economy, which nowadays is global. Even the Chinese know (better maybe than everyone else), that you need a global market for economic prosperity.

If there is a spot, where the world could be brought to the edge of a global war, than it's the middle east.

Another thing to be worried about is Pakistan. They possess atomic bombs and are political very unstable. If islamic extremists take over there, we will have some sleepless nights for sure.

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What Status are you? Ex JW, Inactive, elder, MS...etc

by enigma1863 in

i am technically inactive.

i was just curious if there are many people on the inside.

are there any within bethel itself?

Borges

In 2011 my circumstances allowed me to become an auxillary apostate. The joy I've experienced in this lifesaving work moved me to make the necessary changes to become an regular apostate. I took this step last year and the blessings I've received since then are overwhelming.