Posts by NotFormer

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The HLC do not pressure JWs

by usualusername1 in

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the hospital liaison committee (hlc) for jehovah’s witnesses does not pressure members to refuse blood transfusions.

rather, their role is to support jehovah’s witnesses in adhering to their pre-existing religious beliefs, which include a strict prohibition against accepting blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical scriptures.. jehovah’s witnesses are well-informed about their stance on blood from an early age, and refusing blood is a deeply ingrained religious conviction, not something imposed during a medical crisis.

the hlc’s purpose is to provide assistance in accessing bloodless treatment options, facilitating communication with healthcare providers, and helping ensure that the patient’s choices are respected.. while the hlc strongly supports adherence to the beliefs of jehovah’s witnesses, the ultimate decision remains with the individual.

NotFormer

"I’ll bet they got in serious trouble for that shit, their lawyers advised them that they were gonna lose badly if they pressed the issue in court, and their charity status was threatened if they didn’t back the fuck off."

It's probably in the heyday of those kinds of shenanigans that first got governments to seriously begin looking at the WT and the way it treats its people. Agitating in the name of pacifism is one thing, but bragging about the kids who've died in obedience to their doctrine* is a whole 'nother ballgame. Doctors having to wake judges up in the middle of the night to get a court order to have a child transfused became such a meme that there's even a Jack Chick comic about it. The GB probably began to feel uncomfortable about the amount of pushback they were receiving** and have gradually been quietening and watering down their stance.

* In a 1990s Awake!

** Kids dying who might have otherwise been saved isn't as glamorous as them sending their young men to prison over Vietnam.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses or Jesus Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

keith writes.

you have just touched on a flawed doctrinal belief that is foundational to false religion.. first, it is important to understand what false religion means when they call themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

by this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the father” despite the fact that jehovah is not the name of god at all, but a concoction of human origin from the dark ages.. here is the flaw:.

NotFormer

"By this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the Father” despite the fact that Jehovah is NOT the name of God at all, but a concoction of human origin from the Dark Ages."

I always say that they worship a scribal error by a 12th century Catholic monk. 🙄 Probably wrong in part, but arguably closer in accuracy than anything the WT says.

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Deadpool 3

by Vidiot in

so, it’s gonna be a marvel studios production.. i’m holding out for the following titles:.

”deadpool: agent of shield”.

”deadpool v spider-man: dawn of bromance”.

NotFormer

That episode of the Canadian show, The Forest Rangers, about them hunting the wolverine that killed their pet bunnies scared the daylights out of me when I was a kid. 😱

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The HLC do not pressure JWs

by usualusername1 in

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friends

the hospital liaison committee (hlc) for jehovah’s witnesses does not pressure members to refuse blood transfusions.

rather, their role is to support jehovah’s witnesses in adhering to their pre-existing religious beliefs, which include a strict prohibition against accepting blood transfusions based on their interpretation of biblical scriptures.. jehovah’s witnesses are well-informed about their stance on blood from an early age, and refusing blood is a deeply ingrained religious conviction, not something imposed during a medical crisis.

the hlc’s purpose is to provide assistance in accessing bloodless treatment options, facilitating communication with healthcare providers, and helping ensure that the patient’s choices are respected.. while the hlc strongly supports adherence to the beliefs of jehovah’s witnesses, the ultimate decision remains with the individual.

NotFormer

I'm not sure what the legal subtleties are, but in conversations I've had with hospital doctors, I get the impression that they've told the HLC to GTFO more than once.

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Thought For the Day - for PIMI JW's

by BoogerMan in

which name does the evil faithful slave's literature demand that you focus on - jehovah or jesus?.

do jesus & the bible agree with the org's obsession with the name 'jehovah', or was jesus just being presumptuous?

(matthew 10:22) and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me.... (matthew 18:20) for where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.”.

NotFormer

They worship the scribal error of a twelfth century Catholic monk.

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Sorcery = Pharmakeia

by KerryKing in

rev18:23 '....you deceived the nations with your sorceries'.. the interlinear for sorceries reads pharmakeia.. bible hub has some interesting definitions, i'll try to share screenshots below.

the gist of it is that sorcery involves drugs/medicines/poisons, with or without spells, sorcery is not the same as witchcraft or divination, or white/black magic.

i have long wondered about the connection between the medical/pharmaceutical industry's symbol of the serpent wrapped around a pole/stake, and the use of the word pharmaceuticals/pharmacy.. considering the common use of fluoride in public drinking water, nsaids with side effects such as depression, brain fog, dizziness, and opioids, mrna gene therapy, vaccines and so on, i wonder am i going mad, are these all coincidences??

NotFormer

It's interesting that the tobacco smoking ban was linked to "pharmakeia". I never thought of that one. Nevertheless, the biblical case for forbidding smoking has always been weak.

I note that the WT allows marijuana these days*. I suppose they don't want to get into that fight with the authorities. Another case of the government tail wagging the WT dog? 🐶 🤔

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4786853971492864/all-bodies-elders-handling-cases-drug-abuse-september-1-2018

* With strings attached, of course.

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JWlite can be the purple pill

by Teddnzo in

i really like the red pill analogy in the matrix.

the one guy wishes he didn’t take the red pill and would have preferred to take the blue pill.. many used to be pimi which is the blue pill and then they wake up to the fact that the gb are not who they claim to be which is taking the red pill.. they go through conflict and confusion as to what to believe now?

does god exist?

NotFormer

Are you saying that it's better to stay PIMO, with all the cognitive dissonance and personal feelings of hypocrisy, and to suck it up, than to go POMO?

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Reddit thread about Bethel Reducing Headcount

by LongHairGal in

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apparently, the downsizing is still happening and from what i read those let go are over 50!.

sad because these people expected to be lifers.

now they have to make their way in the world at an advanced age with no education or desirable skill!..

NotFormer

In these days of connectivity, do they even need national Bethels anymore? Especially now that printing is on the way out and what little is still being done was outsourced by a lot of the Bethels to other countries anyway. It's conceivable that everything could happen in New York with some very minimalistic branch offices that co-ordinate the management of Kingdom Halls and CO activity.

The only lessening of WT activity that I feel a bit sad about is that they got rid of their own farms. I thought it was kind of nice that they actually provided for the people who worked for them in that way. That being said, I doubt being a Bethelite on the farm was any less lousy than being in Brooklyn Heights. I've noticed that we can get testimonies from exes who worked in the city Bethel, but there aren't many equivalent stories from people who worked within the organisation on the farms. Are there any?

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Jw Broadcasting Sept 24 : Making up stories about Miriam

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/mvhvtxh3fn0?si=yw_pszgyh8xvmoy8.

so the following video is part of the latest jw broadcasting for september 2024 the script for this video is taken from the publication "immitate their faith" which is like "my book of bible stories" but for adults but is full of inaccuracies and outright falsehoods and here we deal with an outright fabrication about miriam, the sister of moses:.

under the subtitle "miriam the proud" we read: privileges and prominence bring blessings as well as dangers.

NotFormer

"They put a clip in there from a secret leaked video a few years ago. Where a spokesman said the prime objective is the ""organizations image"" or directives."

Makes me think of Star Trek's Prime Directive of non-interference. But WT's prime directive seems to be deliberately about interference. Interfere with the smallest details of congregants private lives and interfere with ordinary people by knocking on doors and manning the trolleys/carts conspicuously in their way. I say the last phrase because last time I saw the trolley in town, it was set up so that if I had walked the way I had planned to, I would have had to pass them, and I wasn't in the mood for a chat with them (probably wouldn't have happened, it usually never does, but I didn't take the chance), so I ended up walking up a different side of the street than I had wanted to*.

* It didn't interfere with any real plans like stopping in a certain shop, or anything like that, I just noticed that them being on the corner that day made me feel uncomfortable. Other times I don't care.

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The fading of a well known American religion. Could this happen someday to Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Balaamsass2 in

new york times 9/5/24.

" there are only two shakers left.

they've still got utopia in their sites.. "by jordan kisner.

NotFormer

"chrustaedlohians"

That's gotta be the worst case of "please excuse any errors, I'm typing this on my phone" I've ever seen 😱

I'm assuming "Christadelphians"? 🤔

They actually experienced (or seemingly experienced) a resurgence in the nineties. The newly emerged internet was estimating their number as about 100,000 worldwide, whereas the "anti-cult" literature of previous decades only had them around 20,000. But like most Christian denominations and -isms, they've since declined, to about half that (50,000), according to Wikipedia. Australia holds the dubious distinction of housing the highest number within the Anglosphere. Not surprised, actually, I've run into a few over the years.

The decline of church attendance is real across the board, but as TonusOH above says, in this case, the obsolescence is built in. They used to be able to "reproduce" by adoption, but governments frown on adopting kids into an overtly religious environment these days, so that source of "born-ins" has dried up.

Does the article* mention whether the two survivors were adopted, or were they converts?

*It's behind a pay wall.