RF:
"Forgive your enemies but never forget their names" - JFK
part 1 (personal considerations).
first and foremost, i'd like to thank all of you for being patient with me this last week, and for the supportive comments you've sent me need, the constructive criticism you've offered.
i am, after all, only a man, and wts-damaged goods at that.
RF:
"Forgive your enemies but never forget their names" - JFK
in case y'all missed it, not too long ago there was a super-long thread regarding a piece of cloth with certain colors on it.
by the end of that thread, a new friendship was forged in the fires of jwd debate.. now i've watched my new friend, someone who i've become very close to and care about a whole lot, walk away from this place with tears in her beautiful brown eyes.
to be honest, i've thought about leaving this board myself.. but i'm not gonna do that.
*gets out the popcorn*
Stinky
Bendrr
Hold on folks, I think this thread might be on for a ride.
did you always know you wanted children?.
if so how did you feel after.. if you do not want children, why?.
i am not sure if i want children and i am interested in all your opinions.
When my life turned to s--t, she was the thing that kept me from eating a bullet!
You know, that is one of the reasons why I want to have at least one child. When I get really dark thoughts, nothing really is preventing me from ending my life. Who would miss me? I don't have any dependants, so it's not like I'd be leaving anyone without a parent. At least if I had someone to look after, that I have to be responsible for, then I would know I have a reason to live. Otherwise, it doesn't matter to me how or when I die.
ladies and gentlemen,.
would it bother you if your mate gained more than a few pounds after the start of your relationship?
would you feel like your significant other changed on you and turned into a different person?
Due to the attitudes of guys like rem and Buster, I'm glad I'm overweight. Here's why:
I've been overweight since I was 7 years old. It's due to genetics, childhood trauma, bad eating habits and a sedentary lifestyle. I had parents that easily gained weight, and the weight has never been able to be lost easily. At one stage I lost 20lbs and looked good, but that still wasn't good enough for some guys. I gave up, and I'm now comfortable with my size. I'm not so overweight that I can't walk through the door, but I'll never be a skinny lizzie.
So all of this breaks through the BS that many guys have about their women gaining weight after marriage. With me, what you see is what you get. If you can't stand having a fat wife, then that's your loss. You miss out on having a wife with a healthy sexual appetite, who's loyal and loving and all that you'd want a wife to be.
At least when guys show interest in me, I know that they're showing interest in me - me as a person, not an image that they hope will never change.
the current discussion of an ex-gb member has prompted me to ponder this question:.
just how much of our personal circumstances can/do we take responsibility for, and how much do we blame the wts?
you may have grown up as a jw, coerced into leaving early to pioneer, not go to university, have no kids, even stay single for the pursuit of singleness in the kingdom work to pioneer or go to bethel.
The current discussion of an ex-GB member has prompted me to ponder this question:
Just how much of our personal circumstances can/do we take responsibility for, and how much do we blame the WTS?
You may have grown up as a JW, coerced into leaving early to pioneer, not go to university, have no kids, even stay single for the pursuit of singleness in the Kingdom work to pioneer or go to Bethel. If you had kids, we may have raised them to be good JWs, so much so that they know shun you. You may have taken up basic employment, in order to pioneer, or trying to heed the WTS' "suggestions" that we do not live a life of materialism. Because you did this you now have no real employment opportunities, or have an earning capacity well below that of your peers.
Whilst many of us made decisions that were influenced by the WTS, how much of it do you think we should accept personal responsibility for? No one forced us to take up a basic job, no one physically prevented us from going to university, nor did they force us to take birth control in order to be freer to "pursue Kingdom interests".
Some of the decision making was due to our own thinking/preferences, influenced by factors that were not in the WTS' control.
Now that we are no longer JWs, how much can we continue to blame the WTS for how we live our life NOW? Since we are no longer JWs, we now have the freedom to pursue life choices that were never available before. If we wanted to go to university, what is preventing us from going now? If we wanted to change careers, what is stopping us now?
Are all the obsticles we have in our life entirely the WTS' fault? How much of it can we change, and are we willing to change our lives in order to achieve our goals? Or are we too happy to sit down and complain, blaming everyone and everything but not ourselves? Or are we willing to admit that we made mistakes, and that it is now up to us to make our lives the kind of lives we want to live?
from what i've learned about judaism, jews believe that god is both male and female and cannot be described in one gender only.
this leads to this question: is the lord's prayer, which starts out with "our father, who art in heaven" really be a prayer that jesus taught us to pray?
if jesus was jewish, and evidence seems to point that way, why would he use a male gender identity to describe god when teaching people how to pray?
Interesting and informative replies.
most of you know that my son is in bootcamp sd.
he made presidential security team yaaaaaaaaaahhooooooooooooo
this means he will be in the states.......
He's a cutie
http://www25.brinkster.com/nudist/test.asp
my results - .
your score is: 8 - 11: nudist-in-waiting!.
If you all saw my body you would scream! (well, it's not that bad...)
Shamus, send me some pics of yourself in the buff and I'll let you know if I screamed or not
http://www25.brinkster.com/nudist/test.asp
my results - .
your score is: 8 - 11: nudist-in-waiting!.
I'm a Nudist-in-Waiting too! (insert embarressed smilie here)
I'm quite comfortable with my body. But it's other people that aren't always comfortable with my body shape or size.
first, simon and other mods, please let this thread run its course for a while.
if it gets too dicey, then i will move or lock it.
my goal is not to have a big flame war, but to expose an issue for what it is.
For what it's worth, I didn't use "Elder-mentality" as a trigger word, nor as a way of stirring anyone up. It is simply a description of an attitude. If it doesn't apply to you, then you've got nothing to get upset over, have you?
I think what Waiting wrote was very well said, and aptly described the attitude of some "forum assistants" aka moderators at times. No one is picking on anyone in particular, nor all of them. But the attitude of "I have more posting power than you therefore my opinion/decision has more weight" is displayed at times. Perhaps it's harder for Simon and those closer to the action to see.
If mods are going to start threads that are related to other threads that were locked, then why do they think that they can stipulate that their threads should not be locked, or why do they think they have more right than other posters to continue discussions that are only going to cause further controversy/arguments?
Of course, to be accused of acting like an elder is going to put any of us on the defensive. But for some of us to be able to observe it, and be brave enough to comment on it, is indication enough that this attitude is displayed by some, IMO.