taken from alanf's website, section "the society tries to censor the net":.
pregnancy is only considered "strong circumstantial evidence" (!
) of sexual immorality, while the word of two witnesses is definite evidence.
I will have to tell my sister about this:
Pregnancy is only considered "strong circumstantial evidence" (!) of sexual immorality, while the word of two witnesses is definite evidence. (page 111)
She was DF'd, after she was married, when her baby came about 6 months after the marriage. Perhaps the docs and nurses gave definite evidence.
They are such buttheads!
i have never missed a memorial in 20 years of being a jw, but this year will be the first one i miss because i refuse to set foot in any kingdom hall.
i was wondering how many that post here will attend the memorial and if so why?.
do you feel pressured into going by family or friends?.
Psst...
The pic is Ann Margrock, from the Flintstones. Based upon Ann Margaret.
I need a pterodactyl egg for strength....
i have never missed a memorial in 20 years of being a jw, but this year will be the first one i miss because i refuse to set foot in any kingdom hall.
i was wondering how many that post here will attend the memorial and if so why?.
do you feel pressured into going by family or friends?.
JWinSF--I like that reasoning! That is a good way to look at it. I saw JW's coming up my drive a few weeks back and panicked.
I will not go, however, I am in a different town and state.
Either way, I still will not go.
hello all... i'm a newbie...first time on this site...a friend of mine who has also left the borg told me about it... while sitting on the phone together, i read some of the stories to her and we had a good laugh...all is true....
Hello and welcome!
as some of you know, my brother and cousin have been planning to tell their parents about their beliefs (or rather, lack of) about the jw's and their decision not to attend meetings or convert others.. well, they did it much quicker than i ever expected.
they did it before yesterday, to be more precise.
both of them...phew.
mindfield,
Great! Good for them; and you. Don't put yourself down for the time it took to leave. You did. You are happy and free.
(((hugs))) to you and them!
ahhh, just blowing off a little steam here...perhaps many of you have been through the same shit.
i knew for the past couple of years that my uncle in mobile was dying of cancer.
well, the last time my mother and i talked (around october i think)she said, "well, we were in mobile all last weekend for uncle *****'s funeral".
outnfree-
Thanks for asking!
I wish I knew. She will not speak to my Mom or myself. She and my mother have had a major falling out over my sister's choice of husband..(since she married 23 years ago, my Mom needs to let go..) My mother wrote an e-mail to me about my bro-in-law and said some really nasty things (all true, I have to add-he is a scum bag and took her down a path of self-destruction).
My mother e-mailed the note to my sister, not me, by mistake! Of course my sis won't speak to her. Or me...I am guilty by association. That was 3 years ago. My sis called me this summer because my Mom sent her a letter telling her I ruptured 3 discs in my back. ( I ruptured the L3 disc, only one) We got back in touch and seemed to have a relationship growing. She made me promise not to tell our mom about her brain tumor. I only gave our mom her phone #. Mom called, they spoke, however, Sis will not forgive me for giving our mother her phone #. (I hate getting put in the middle)
When she did speak to my Mom in October, it was the only time. She (my sis) then sent some really hateful e-mails to my mom and I and said she never wants to speak to us again.
She has a tumor above her ear, on the right side. It is the size of a golf ball. Inoperable, however they can do some high-tech radiation. Hopefully, that will extend her life to perhaps a maximum of 5 years.
The bottom line is no one in my family is in touch with her. She cut everyone off. This is the 5th time since her marriage, so, it is with a grain of salt that I take it.
The problem is if/when she passes...my brother-in-law will not tell us. I check the newspapers in her area every few days...the obituaries. Just in case.
Sorry for rambling...however, her getting married was a result of my mom pushing her, because she was pregnant. If mom had only supported her in a time of need and confusion, we might be a closer, happier family. My mom pushed because of the dubs. Typical...
every now and again we discuss on this forum the degree of control that the society enjoys over its members the rank and file.
that there is huge control is beyond dispute, i would guess.
but theres more to it than just a simple predatory attitude from brooklyn (though thats there, for sure).
ashi-
you wrote
My mother, who is DA'ing herself, is quite the opposite. From day one she had problems with elders telling her what to do-she promptly told them where to go. Good ol' mom.I am happy for your mother.
My mother turns into a meek, cowering "sheep" the moment she walks into the KH. I do not understand this. It is a phychological button. She has opinions (not well informed-she does not read news, but, watches Oprah) and is a business ownwer; when I ask how she can accept being told she is inferior because she is female and should be in subjection she gives the canned answer-"That is what Jehovah wants."
I will never give up the hope that she will someday leave the borg.
every now and again we discuss on this forum the degree of control that the society enjoys over its members the rank and file.
that there is huge control is beyond dispute, i would guess.
but theres more to it than just a simple predatory attitude from brooklyn (though thats there, for sure).
AlanF-
You make a very good point on the seeming inability of JW's to think for themselves. I agree.
It seems to me that the JW religion attracts people who hate to think for themselvesLook back at the literature...when one studied the mags or books for discussion, the answer was already there; look farther down and you had the answer to the questions asked during the Sunday study hall (it that what it was called? it has been 18 years) I remember highlighting the answers. We did not have to think about the information from the bible, we had the WTBTS intrepretation and that is what we should memorize.
When I got to high school and college and had to THINK and then answer, it became much more difficult to form opinions and ideas.
The situation with a born-and-raised JW is a bit different, because he or she is trained in the art of non-thinking. He develops his social circle almost entirely within the non-thinking JW community, so it takes a lot more effort to overcome the training and social pressure, begin thinking for himself, and get out.That is true...it took a long time for me to overcome my inability to really read something and form an opinion or come up with a solution. I expected the book or literature to have the answer.
* that anyone can respond to even if they weren't born in, or even if they never were in the borg.
the question is;.
"when do you first remember realising that you were a jw, and that the rest of the world wasn't?!.
OOOHHHH!!!
Everytime I read stories like these I am propelled back into time...back to grade school, which was the worst...it makes me sick. I want to cry. I am crying.
We all have such similar experiences...that is why this board is so great. Unless you were born (or very young when indoctrinated) into it, it is different.
Perhaps posts like these will wake up some lurkers eyes to what they are subjecting their children to.
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
Little Toe,
You are incredible! Great Job!
As posted previously, please keep us posted on your journey.
Puffs
