@ possum, what does that tell you? Institutional abuse is where the "leaders" abuse the "lay" children, as in elders abuse children who are not their own. Incest on the other hand is in the family. Much much harder to deal with as the family itself, including the victimized children find it much harder to disclose, and do so much later in life. Also, it is very common that the wives or children may not want to report to the police. (this is the case of people who are not JWs). It is much harder for elders to "control" what goes on in the privacy of family life, and just because a family claims to be JW by name, does not automatically mean they are JW in deeds. In contrast in other religious institutions child molestation involving the congregants is never dealt with, child molestation is only dealt with at the level of pastors and priests. The fact that the numbers of child molesters in the RC involved anyone who crossed the paths of JWs made the numbers large. Only a small percentage were elders or min servants, hence not so much a case of "institutional" abuse.