Posts by truthlover123

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Can someone compare the midweek meeting now to what it was say in the 60`s - 80`s ?

by smiddy3 in

i can`t believe the tidbits i`m finding out about the changes ,dumbing down of the meetings i used to attend and participate in up until the late 1980`s ...

truthlover123

In days passed, we could give our own comments based on what we studied -- today, The direction is passed that a reply to the lessons have to come out of the paragraph, so people are reading the same sentences, that the reader has just completed. So boring!! To venture too far from the point they asked in the question is really not supposed to be done, although some do and it is refreshing to hear it.

They ask everyone to do research, but really dont want you to answer using that research. Mostly now, its read a scripture or parrot an answer. Of course, they society does not answer questions anymore with QTR... they feel they have touched on every subject they say and now make up their own questions to have an answer for-- and we are to go to elders to get answers. Well I have and am still waiting for clarification on several issues.

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Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

by Listener in

although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

the first paragraph asks '1.

what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

truthlover123

The thing that the pubs are not picking up is a buzz word- must!..... Because so much time has passed, we MUST be living in the last days! They do not know, they have NEVER KNOWN, They are no different than 5 people and I sitting around the table and discussing some aspects of the Bible and drawing out something that they can make a study lesson out of to keep pubs in a scared, believing all things, mindset' This information has been repeated almost word for word for years. The idea that all anointed will be gone off earth and then the boys of the elder school will lead - lead who? There will be pandemonium according to scripture, Where would you run to find any elder-- we do not see any at shepherding calls or receive a concerned phone call from them, even in a hurricane or blizzard situation right now.. I am sure they will be looking out for their own ass when the time comes, not ours.

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New baptism contract

by resolute Bandicoot in

hi all, a little while back we had a thread on the topic a new baptism contract, specifically question two, in that the "in association with gods spirit directed organisation" has been dropped.

we had two circuit level baptisms in australia since the story started getting around where the old wording was still being used and i was starting to think that it was just a rumor.. the melbourne international convention this passed weekend used the new contract, in which the claim of spirit direction is rolled back.

i would share here if i could post a mp3 file.. what will be next 1914 swept under the carpet?.

truthlover123

TBK

Yes they did create- a multi billion dollar empire full of loyal do bees - much like the Amway system. Get new ones in to keep the money flowing.. There is nothing more hypnotizing than the hope of everlasting life- faith and jump on the fast moving chariot.

This organization operates along the lines of Scientology - so close, so close- the only difference is they invoked God into it all and promoted the Spirit to get it done. Most people do have a "God" gene so they are easy to persuade, looking for something better.

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Unpopular Opinion on Convention Protests

by Jehalapeno in

i think it's really sad that people that wasted countless hours preaching for a cult are deciding to waste more hours on that same cult after leaving it.. get a hobby.

enjoy life.. "the best revenge is a life well-lived.

" - some person said this..

truthlover123

I believe this type of information can be cathartic to those holding the signs, they feel they are doing something to reach the attendees- and all the best to them. Many have suffered at the hands of elders, ms, co's Terrible things have been hidden for years and many have been affected by this so, for them, it is important they voice their feelings.

We cannot walk in their shoes, but empathy for what some if not most, have experienced, even if we have not.

Somehow life does go on.

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BAD, BAD Christendom - the coal calling the kettle black!

by The Fall Guy in

w02 12/1 p. 3 giving until it hurts - “organized religion seems to be able to survive only with sizable financial support.

(lol – aren't jw's an “organized religion, and how the hell do they survive - on marshmallows?

)..how is the necessary money to be found?...most likely you agree that giving should be part of christian worship.

truthlover123

Automatically, there is a dollar value on every head that cracks a door to the assemblies. This one day was in a auditorium in a school - this time, no visuals on screen, no flowers, just the table and chairs, podium and mike and sound men and equipment - cleaning done before and after, sisters did bathrooms before, after and during,

There were 1500 in attendance with 5 baptized BUT the cost was $11,000.00!!! For what? Setting up chairs - we brought own meal.

Do the math -- there had been a $12000.00 balance from last one day, but sent it to the society and left us with the money to be made up. They were $5000 short at 3 pm. Dont know if they got rest.

Great job if you can get it - not to mention the cash machines in attendance as well.

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New baptism contract

by resolute Bandicoot in

hi all, a little while back we had a thread on the topic a new baptism contract, specifically question two, in that the "in association with gods spirit directed organisation" has been dropped.

we had two circuit level baptisms in australia since the story started getting around where the old wording was still being used and i was starting to think that it was just a rumor.. the melbourne international convention this passed weekend used the new contract, in which the claim of spirit direction is rolled back.

i would share here if i could post a mp3 file.. what will be next 1914 swept under the carpet?.

truthlover123

For all the changes they have made- generation, Gog of Magog, etc. - all supposedly under spirit guided inspiration, now seems that that spirit has "stopped" directing??

How can that be? Every magazine, every brochure, every teaching, every baptism, every hall dedication - all spirit directed??? It was there and now its not? Just recently, historically, all elder positions ( child abuse issues)and ms positions (child abuse issues)were supposed to be by holy spirit - not to mention Co's- some df for child abuse, Do's= now extinct.

So when did this spirit directed wording start and now ends, If ever present? Now, as the recent C A issues are showing, how did they get appointed in the first place?

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10 Year Growth Chart

by HiddenPimo in

here are some visuals to help show what is going on with the jw numbers game.

i am not a numbers guy and there maybe a few errors (info directly from grand total pages on jw.borg).

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truthlover123

Boggles my mind that they are showing an increase... yes, third world countries are seizing on the "hope" they project but I can see them fudging the numbers in their favor. Anyone working the numbers knows well how to show an "increase" so the FDS can boast about their spirit directed bull..... that no longer seems to apply since they are not spirit directed as the second baptism change indicates. Nor were they ever spirit directed or there would not be 12- 13 changes on the 1914-1918 dates along with so many more changes- generation for another... all of which brings into question of all the disseminated "spiritual food" in all the magazines and books!

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What happens to Bethelites?

by rickroll in

so if someone puts their life into serving the cult for free at bethel, then say after 25 or 30 years they are not able to for one reason or another such as illness, or family issue or old age, does the cult have any safety net for these people or is it you serve until you can't and when you can't you just go away?

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truthlover123

Truly I do not think many pubs know there is a Vow of Poverty signed off by a bethelite, unless their child is going into a bethel. When they entered they were probably in their late teens, having a minimum course in something.

In the past several years, as high as 2200 were let go in just one year- back to congregations, to find jobs, ask congregations for furniture, support, jobs, etc. and go on medical programs (in Canada, free)- most had been in the "compound" for 35-40 years, were up in age. many needing some sort of medical care that the society will not supply - even while raking in millions per year in donations. If the child marries and they are to go into an area, they are given a monthly stipend as Special Pioneers or Missionaries. However, this stops when the pair has to stop for any reason. They then -maybe- become regular pioneers or publishers - making their own way and working at something they are not trained for due to age.

This lesson today is to soothe consciences and cover the society's rear-end. Loving,kind, considerate - nope... they used these brothers and sisters then when the going got bad, threw them out... to a world they had to sink or swim in but then the publishers - who looked at them as holy- are willing to give all to make them comfortable.

Yet all the comments today fell in line with society's thinking....

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Sisters

by truthlover123 in

jw
friends

during the first talk tonight, the brother giving the talk indicated that now comments were to include sisters!

previously mostly only brothers were mentioned in most prayers or comments - has anyone else heard this tonight?.

the meeting seemed to be positioned directly to and about sisters.

truthlover123

During the first talk tonight, the brother giving the talk indicated that now comments were to include sisters! Previously mostly only brothers were mentioned in most prayers or comments - has anyone else heard this tonight?

The meeting seemed to be positioned directly to and about sisters. I was not there so am not sure if this is a direct comment.

Thanks

PS- if so, this is a directive from Head Office.. and it has taken a long time to happen. What burns my a... is that they had to wait until they were told to be kind. and inclusive.. (normally, women are third class, after the male children, after all if a male child of 11 is baptized, women are to listen to him when in a car group when no adult male is present)---if this is the case.

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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

by Terry in

jw
friends

kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

truthlover123

Very interesting info Terry - you definitely put the emphasis on the atrocities of invasion, presumptuousness of outside forces drawing lines in the sand, war and oil

I have not read all of the posts yet but do want to make a note that in one of his tweets re the withdrawal of security forces (sent to Iraq) Trump said the oil was secured. So what was his agenda?

Just a thought